The New Yorker on Thursday released the audio of its interview with former White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci, who made controversial and crude comments about his former colleagues in a phone call with a journalist in late July.
The interview was seen as a big reason why he lost his job. Among other things, Scaramucci boasted that he was about to fire "three to four people" the next day, and called former White House chief of staff Reince Priebus a "fucking paranoid schizophrenic."
Reporter Ryan Lizza said he debated whether to publish the contents of the conversation and ultimately decided to go forward, and called Scaramucci the following day to let him know the publication was going forward.
"It was so unusual, David. I've said this now — for 20 years of doing this I've never had a phone conversation like that. I mean, I got off the phone and just sort of stood there silently in my — I was in my bedroom. I just sort of stood there, this was 10:30 at night and I just stood there shaking my head, saying, 'That was the most unusual conversation that I've ever had with a senior government official,'" Lizza recalled in a podcast about his interview.
Scaramucci claimed earlier this week that both men were long-time friends, but Lizza denied it. The phone call, according to Lizza, was evidence of Scaramucci's lack of communications strategy and Trump's management failures in hiring him.
"So many politicians believe when they're failing, they believe that the real problem is just a communications strategy — that if only the American public heard and saw what the most loyal supporters saw in the president, everything would be solved," Lizza said. "'Let Trump be Trump' is the cliche, right? That was Scaramucci's communications strategy, and I think that's how he helped convince the president that he should take over the communications shop, even though he had no experience doing this."