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Cops fighting speed camera tickets hurts county's image, officials say

By: Alan Suderman
Examiner Staff Writer
July 16, 2009

The four Montgomery County police officers who won't have to pay their speed camera tickets are undermining the public's opinion of the police department and the speed camera program, elected officials said.

"This is a small group of officers who are refusing to pay when it appears they should have to," said Council President Phil Andrews, D-Gaithersburg/Rockville. "The public is resentful when public employees are treated different than private citizens, unless there is a valid reason for the action."

The Examiner reported Wednesday that a Montgomery County judged tossed tickets of four on-duty police officers who were caught by speed cameras. Two of them were driving twice the speed limit, driving 50 and 51 mph in 25 mph residential zones.

Councilman Marc Elrich, D-at large, said the officers may have had legitimate concerns about their tickets. But he said that news accounts of officers fighting speed camera tickets, even if it's over police department procedure, doesn't help the county's efforts to promote speed cameras as a fair and effective public safety tool.

"The public doesn't delve much into the details and it just sounds bad," he said.

Elrich said the county and police union need to create a mutually agreeable policy that will clearly define when police officers are exempted from paying speed camera tickets.

"We should be able to figure this out, it's not rocket science," Elrich said.

Currently, the county's Fraternal Order of Police union advises its members not to pay tickets stemming from speed cameras. Past President Walter Bader said the union's opposition is based on the department's "haphazard" procedure for assigning officers tickets, and not a belief that officers should never have to pay speeding tickets.

"The only thing we have been advocating is a process to sort these cases out," he said.

The officers' attorney said speeding was frequently a part of the officers' jobs and it was unreasonable for them to be asked to remember why they were going over the speed limit weeks or months after they had been photographed by a speed camera.

The judge said the county's failure to have a written policy regarding speed camera tickets violated the officers' right to due process.

But the state's attorney's office, the police department and the county executive's office said the county already has a valid process for assigning speed camera tickets to its officers.

"Police department policy is clear: If officers don't have a good reason to be speeding they have to pay tickets, same as everyone else," said County Executive Ike Leggett's spokesman, Patrick Lacefield.

The county's elected officials have been strong supporters of speed cameras, and Leggett recently doubled the number of fixed cameras from 30 to 60 in the county.

Lacefield added that he doesn't think the police union's complaints will affect the public's perception of the police department or of the speed camera program.

asuderman@washingtonexaminer.com



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PhotoRadarScam

Jul 15, 2009

If it's dangerous for me to speed, it's dangerous for cops to speed. I don't see the difference. Why are they above the law? What other laws are we going to exempt them from?

 

Rick

Jul 16, 2009

Can ANY member of the county council can claim that they NEVER exceed the legally posted speed limit? If they cannot claim that, then they need to concede that speed limits are set too low.

The presence of speed cameras is going to cause 911 response times to increase. Hopefully anyone who thinks that police officers should be subjected to an inquisition every time they exceed the speed limit will never need a police officer or ambulance at your door _right now_.

 

Scarlet

Jul 16, 2009

Why should anyone be surprised, this is typical when the dems dominate, make rules for the masses, rules for which they are exempt.

 

JMC

Jul 16, 2009

Which of you wants the police drivng slowly (within the limit) when coming to your house responding to a 911 call?
Should we do the same with firetrucks and ambulances? As cops we don't always use lights for a myriad of reasons...desn't mean we aren't responding to an emergency. Plus, coppers get a lot of training that civilians don't get regarding driving.
And don't even try to make this a rep/dem thing..that's ignorant. Think of the facts, then let go of your youthful/childish dislike of police. Becuse you'll be the first to whine when you need 'em and they aren't there in a flash...
By the same token, there are logs kept of who's dooing what and whe, so they could compare the logs to the tickets and see what the police offices were doing...I'm just saying....

 

AJ

Jul 16, 2009

And when a police run over a child going 50mph in a residential area? Are they exempt from murder too?

 

Ray

Jul 16, 2009

Tell Patrick Lacefield that my perception of him is much lower than that of the police department due to his poor choice of double standards... speed limits are there for a reason.

 

bill

Jul 16, 2009

Sorry the argument for this slowing cops/emergency response units down is a load of crap. If a cop is responding to the scene of an accident or crime, etc and they need to exceed the speed limit then they should be able to have some record of that and the judge can figure out if they had a legit reason to speed or not. The burden of proof for innocence needs to be on the cop in traffic court just like it is on the private citizen.

It's no secret that police abuse this on a regular basis. I think they don't want to be held accountable for such a minor thing. But if it's such a minor thing, and I think it is, why are we the citizen held responsible for it.

I'll tell you why. Money. We do need speed limit enforcement of some kind but the current state is just about making money.

 

Norma Lee Kwik

Jul 16, 2009

WAAAAAAH! WAAAAAAH! I GIVE OUT TICKETS - I DON'T WANNA GET ONE! WAAAAAAAH! WAAAAAAAAH.

What a bunch or cry babies the cops are.

 

Hmmm

Jul 16, 2009

So, when are cops going to start giving each other tickets?

I can't stand getting the lecture about how the law is the law, when every single police officer participates in the most blatant double standard.

 

JJ

Jul 16, 2009

The County Council thinks that it is OK for police officers to be presumed guilty, which is consistent since they think that ordinary drivers should be presumed guilty as well. However when someone is accused of breaking the law they are entitled to a fair hearing, and in the American justice system "fair" means the burden of proof is on the accuser. The only problem with the ruling in this case is that these police officers were given the benefit of the doubt, whereas ordinary people who challenge speed camera tickets are not.

 

Norma Lee Rite

Jul 16, 2009

Bad boys Bad boys
Whatcha' gonna do
When they come for you?
Bad boys Bad boys

Hey cops, if ya' can't pay the fine, don't do the crime.

 

Greg

Jul 16, 2009

This whole issue has stopped being about public safety long ago, it's about revenue. Marked police cars slow everyone down, unmarked ones just issue tickets. Speed cameras don't find people with outstanding warrants, drugs or guns in the car, or anything else, they just issue tickets which bring in more money.

 

TMJ

Jul 17, 2009

Lacefield is RIGHT...this will NOT change my perception of speed cams...I'M STILL AGAINST THEM!

BTW Bill, Don't forget that cops ROUTINELY ignore seat-belt laws too!

Greg: EXACTLY RIGHT!

 

BanPhotoRadar

Jul 17, 2009

The emergency response personel (EMTs and cops) are saying their responsee time is slowed down because of these cameras. They too are getting written up and ticketed while they are working and responding to emergencies.

 

Ol' man

Jul 17, 2009

My understanding is police officers log calls, citations, etc. Doesn't seem to be a stretch to determine if they were speeding for a legitimate reason a few weeks back. Maybe they could put the cameras around donut shops.

 

Oberon

Jul 17, 2009

AJ, OF COURSE cops are exempt if they run over a child. After all, they're trying to save lives. Why should they be held to the same standard as the rest of us?

 

jonny

Jul 17, 2009

Typical - this is why I have no respect for police

 

jack

Jul 18, 2009

The officers don't have to remember why they were speeding, just roll back the dispatch tape.

 


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