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Police officers busted by speed cameras get ticket reprieve

By: Alan Suderman
Examiner Staff Writer
July 15, 2009

(Andrew Harnik/Examiner)

Four on-duty Montgomery County police officers caught speeding by automated cameras -- in two cases driving twice the speed limit -- had their $40 tickets thrown out by a county judge.

Circuit Court Judge Ronald Rubin ruled the officers' right to due process had been violated, because the county police department does not have a written policy that outlines when on-duty officers would be exempted from getting tickets from speed cameras.

Speeding is a regular part of a police officer's job and cops shouldn't be expected to remember why they were speeding weeks or months after a speed camera catches them, attorney James Shalleck said.

"How are they going to recall that it wasn't because they were speeding to stop a kid from running in the street chasing a ball," Shalleck asked.

But for speed camera opponents, the case underscores one of the problems average citizens have with the cameras: That there may be a legitimate reason why they are speeding, and tickets from speed cameras presume guilt.

"This is the whole problem of speed cameras, they don't allow for human interpretation," said Sen. Alexander Mooney, R-Frederick.

The use of speed cameras has become a hot-button issue in Maryland, which will allow counties besides Montgomery County to start using them Oct. 1. Supports say the cameras reduce speeding and accidents. Critics call them "cash cows" for governments.

After his ruling Monday, Rubin indicated he fell into the latter camp: "That's what this statute is: This is a revenue raiser, it is a tax machine."

When a speed camera catches a police car speeding, the department checks its records to see who was driving and whether the officer was responding to an emergency or had another legitimate reason to speed. If there is no record of a compelling reason and the officer can't provide one, he or she has to pay the ticket.

"They're afforded more due process than the average citizen," said Assistant State's Attorney Teresa Casafranca.

Three of the officers who had their tickets tossed did not provide a reason why they were speeding. One officer, who was going 51 mph in a 25 mph zone in Rockville, told supervisors that he was driving to training, according to court records.

Capt. John Damskey, who heads the traffic division that operates speed cameras, said the police department disagrees with Rubin's ruling and the county may appeal the case.

"To say that we are above the law, or cannot be held responsible is ridiculous," Damskey said. "What's the next step after that?"

asuderman@washingtonexaminer.com



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PhotoRadarScam

Jul 14, 2009

Funny how the same defense doesn't apply to civilians. How am I supposed to remember what happened 2 weeks ago while I was driving? How can a person possibly defend themselves when they aren't notified of their violation right away? It's a scam.

 

mdyoung

Jul 14, 2009

I got one of these tickets in the mail last Friday from taking my daughter to a soccer game a couple weeks ago. I first have to say I live in Baltimore County and won't be going back to Montgomery County any time soon.

The other thing is I remember being on the road where the photo was taken, but I don't have any idea where on the road it was taken or if I was going 44 mph in a 30 mph zone or why.

I just wonder if they stick the cameras where the speed changes from say 40 mph to 30 mph and hope people don't notice the change or stick it to people like me that aren't familiar with the are and are looking for there next turn and maybe not watching their speed.

 

Browncrow

Jul 15, 2009

Aren't police supposed to turn on their emergency lights when they they're on an emergency and traveling over the speed limit? I was passed by an officer lately that was going at least twice the speed limit. When I got out at the 7-11, he was in there getting a cup of coffee. Police know they're above the law and nobody's going to do anything about it.

 

aemm

Jul 15, 2009

Speed cameras are only allowed in school zones and in work zones. This may help people remember where they were speeding. Are the speed cameras a revenue raiser? Absolutely. Are they protecting children and construction crews? Absolutely. If you don't want a ticket, don't speed- it is a LAW.

 

crunchbird@gmail.com

Jul 15, 2009

"Speed cameras are only allowed in school zones and in work zones."

This is not correct. There are multiple speed cameras in Montgomery County that are not located in school zones.

 

taxworep

Jul 15, 2009

"How are they going to recall that it wasn't because they were speeding to stop a kid from running in the street chasing a ball," Shalleck asked.
Because running over the kid you're supposed to be rescuing (at 55 mph, no less) is something you'd tend to remember.

 

Kanthearu

Jul 15, 2009

"To say that we are above the law, or cannot be held responsible is ridiculous," Damskey said.

Hey Captain Dumb-sky, the judge IS saying you are not above the law you dolt! You are the mis-manager without a policy. Do they have a written policy for the rest of us? Can we all use that argument?

 

Jul 15, 2009

"If you don't want a ticket, don't speed- it is a LAW."

Apparently The Law(men) doesn't follow the LAW either. I suppose you follow every single law out there as well. The law may be the law, but they can be changed and as they stand right now, are applied differently, not evenly across the public. This is the real shame.

We have these out in AZ. Its not secret that people go 80 MPH in a 55 right up to the camera, then slow down, then pick it back up, which to me, is more dangerous than going at the same speed all the time.

 

kfc

Jul 15, 2009

The only way to get rid of speed cameras is to get rid of the elected officials that support them. How can they stand for basic constitutional rights AND speed cameras at the same time. When I was young my father refered to that as 'talking out of different sides of your mouth at the same time'. VOTE NO on politicians that support cameras.

 

StopBigBrotherMD

Jul 15, 2009

The county government considers itself above the law. The law forbids paying speed camera contractors on a per-citation basis, yet the county does exactly that. Now Council President Andrews made it clear he understood that this was not allowed in May 2006 before the contract was signed when he said in a council session "Contractors are not paid based on the number of citations, that's built-in". Ike Leggett tried to conceal the arrangement from the public when on March 20 2008 he stated "Under the contract, we pay a flat fee". The true deal was exposed days later. Promises to the public since May 2008 that the contract would be renegotiated have NOT been kept. No promises or assurances county officials make can be trusted. VOTE THEM OUT IN 2010!!!

 

JAMES

Jul 16, 2009

IF A PRESIDENT CAN STAND BEFORE THE LAW, SO SHOULD A POLICE OFFICER...OR A JUDGE. SELECTIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT, IS NOT GOOD LAW ENFORCEMENT...ONLY ADDS FUEL TO THE FIRE 'ONLY POLICE SHOULD BE ARMED'...

 

Joe

Jul 16, 2009

Typical....Cops can do it but you can't. Anyone really wonder why cops don't get respect? Neat how they cover for one another. Even the courts cover for them. That's why we need the ALCU

 

Larry

Jul 16, 2009

The revolution is coming. It is time to sweep away the tyranny of these idiots in the little blue uniforms with the badges.

POLICE = ARMED THUG, WHO KNOWS HE CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.

 

JAMES

Jul 16, 2009

A LOT OF THIS IS COMPLIMENTS OF HOMELAND SECURITY AND 9/11 LAWS MADE UNDER PANIC, NOT THOUGHT. BIG BROTHER NEEDED A REASON. TERRORISM SUPPLIED IT. YOUR REPRESENTATIVE AND 2 SENATORS SUPPLIED THE OUTLANDISH FUNDING...AFTER THEY EXCLUDED THEMSELVES FROM SUCH SCRUTINY

 

Billy Boy

Jul 16, 2009

It is impossible to cross examine a photograph..........CASE DISMISSED!!!

 

Yogi

Jul 16, 2009

It is time to spray paint this Big Brother technology used to fund the priviledged class of government workers socialist pensions. Just keep destroying the equipment.

 

Constable Bob

Jul 16, 2009

Yes. If they are allowed to get away with this they may start lying about DUI cases and claiming citizens are behind the wheel when they are asleep in the back seat.

 

Ray

Jul 16, 2009

Capt. John Damskey is my hero!

p.s. Constable Bob, this happens all the time!

 

joe

Jul 16, 2009

every job has its perks, if you work for Comcast you get free cable, if you work the phone company you get free phone service stop complaining about the police and worry about your own lives.

 

JOHANN

Jul 16, 2009

A good reporter will find out where all
the kick back money goes!!

 

S. Gonzalez

Jul 16, 2009

They don't have to remember why they were speeding. Dispatch keeps a log. If they have to break a law to do their job (like a high speed chase), it will be well-documented. Just check the records. If they were supposed to be speeding, it will be there. If not, pay up like the rest of us lead foots!

 

A Better Way

Jul 16, 2009

Let's fix the ticket problem once and for all. Don't let towns and cities keep the money. All traffic fines go into a fund at the state. This fund will be used to fund driver's education and to subsidize insurance companies that have to pay for motor vehicle injuries.

It will keep insurance rates lower and it will make sure that the people who are "endangering the public" by breaking traffic laws are the same people who pay for the damage they cause.

Of course if these podunk towns can't keep their fine money, I bet there are a lot fewer tickets. And what city would install cameras if they $$$ went to the state?

 

Cordelia Lear

Jul 16, 2009

"Aren't police supposed to turn on their emergency lights when they they're on an emergency and traveling over the speed limit? I was passed by an officer lately that was going at least twice the speed limit. When I got out at the 7-11, he was in there getting a cup of coffee. Police know they're above the law and nobody's going to do anything about it."
==============
That's right, and now when the police ignore the law, they will at the very least have to stand like bad little boys in front of a judge rather than never having been caught at all.

If you get caught enough times, you'll eventually get into the habit of driving more carefully, hopefully.

 

CRM

Jul 16, 2009

So this is like getting free cable when you work for the cable company?

They get to speed around at will, in school and construction zones, no less? Ridiculous.

 

fearthefuture

Jul 16, 2009

as long as the pigs protect the wealthy the wealthy (who make the rules btw) will let the pigs do what they want

 

Grox

Jul 16, 2009

You should check in on some of the fiascos that have occurred in and around Spokane, WA. There was an actual accident caused by cops messing around, speeding, etc, and it was the cops that caused the accident! An enormous amount of negative feedback came from the community and finally got the cops involved into "some" trouble. Amazing how little though. I have come to the realization that cops anymore are by far and large nothing more than huge egomaniacs with an even huger chip on their shoulder. They don't care about the law themselves. All they care about is "to protect the govt's pocketbook, and to serve as many tickets as possible."
I now carry a video camera with me wherever I go. It's the only defense you have against the legalized govt money grabbing extortionists AKA cops.

Down with red lights, down with speed traps in the middle of nowhere! Put the cops to work where they SHOULD be, like taking on REAL crime, like murders, robbers, and rapists!

 

Mr. PPV

Jul 16, 2009

I am a Police Officer in a Maryland County. I got one of these in my patrol car at a red light at 3AM. My Sgt walked in and told me my punishment was payment of the citation on the first offense, and subsequent citations would result in worse than just paying. I don't think this is a double standard for Police, I think its a BS ruling by the judge.

 

mutley

Jul 16, 2009

I am getting so tired of these cops all thinking they are above the law. I am tired of pulling up to a light next to a cop and having some twenty year old punk stare me down like some kind of criminal just because he has a badge. I used to respect the police, but I am losing all respect for them as they move toward a police state and explain to me why every little one horse town now has a SWAT type team. They spend more time harassing regular citizens while illegals and gangs run rampant in our small communities, I guess we are easier targets and less dangerous for them. My son gave me a license plate frame which said Jesus on it so I would always have Jesus with me, well today my wife got a ticket because Jesus covered the state name even though there is a picture of the state and other identifying features including the states nickname. What a POS! $55 dollar ticket and no more Jesus on my car. God help us all.

 

Susan B

Jul 17, 2009

The county had better get a policy that makes police officers as accountable as anyone else. No one should be above the law.

I notice the county decreases speed limits when major roads slope down hill. Also many speed limit signs are bent or behind foliage.

This county is poorly managed - the policy on police officers should have been in place before the cameras went up.

 

MontCoPD

Jul 17, 2009

First of all, officers responding to calls CAN speed and don't always need to use their lights and sirens. Second, many officers have received these speed camera tickets and PAID their fines when they couldn't justify their actions. Third and finally, Montgomery County is the ONLY county grandfathered in by the new speed camera law that takes effect in October. All existing cameras can/will remain .. and MoCo has plans to install MORE cameras BEFORE October in places other than work & school zones. Of course it's all about money and NOT safety! To make the big point clear, police officers CAN exceed the speed limit when responding to certain types of calls, with or without lights and sirens. Do you expect the police to sit in traffic when you call 911?

 

MontCoPD

Jul 17, 2009

Mr. PPV ... This article is about SPEED cameras -- not red light cameras. There's a big difference. Were you running a red light going to a call? If so, your department is WRONG to discipline you. If you have a good FOP then fight it. If not, get a good lawyer and sue your department. As a matter of fact, any civilian OR police officer that has received a speed camera ticket should file a civil suit against Mont Co AND the state of Maryland. It's all about money and not safety. Mont Co cameras made over $4 million in fines when the cameras first started being used. It hasn't changed much!

 

joe

Jul 17, 2009

Grox
you should learn your facts, traffic accidents cause more injury and death then murders and robberies combined and is the leading cause of death for people ages 2 to 42. GUESS what the leading cause of accidents are thats right speed. Stop complaining about the police im sure you dont call when you see these so called thugs running the streets and selling drugs

 

Bongo Boy

Jul 17, 2009

Well of course it makes no sense to charge the cops, just like it's fruitless for the IRS to audit itself.

The cameras are there for revenue. So quit kvetching and do as I say ... not as I do!

Remember folks, we silly civilians exist to serve the government.

 

Innocent Driver

Jul 17, 2009

I went through a construction zone on a Sunday, when no workers were present. The speed limit was enforced for 'worders present'. When I got the ticket, I could pay the fifty bucks or fight. I paid. This is a bad system.

 

wowow

Jul 17, 2009

Overall I am reading this is OK. And its the LAW

I can only say those whom do not understand are blissfully ignorant of the funndatmental principles at stake goingon,

Is it the 1st time the "LAW" has been abused by it's governing people. Certainly not, however it does enlighten just how far "the cable guy get free cable" ideal. Apply and yet go against every fiber of the oath of such a serviceman or woman would take not to mention the judges presiding over the process.

Realistically very dissapointing.....

 

yogiman

Jul 17, 2009

It looks like the communistic regime is taking over. Hidden cameras to 'keep an eye on you'?

Really, do they need that money that bad or is the official process too expensive to gather that cheap money? Can't they afford enough officers to do the job officially?

 

Bob

Jul 17, 2009

Hey MontCOPD! Drop dead, you f***ing thug! I hope you die of an excruciatingly painful cancer caused by your hand held radar gun.

 

AnimalFarmUSA

Jul 17, 2009

Too much caffine Bob?

 

Quo Warranto ?

Jul 17, 2009

Who gets this so called ticket? Is it the actual driver, or the registered owner? By What Authority is this don? Wake up people.

 

Quo Warranto ?

Jul 17, 2009

Just Google REDFLEX. It will answer all questions about this SCAM for everybody to make money.

 

Jul 17, 2009

By What Authority do your legislators do this? I count at least 3 violations of your U.S. Constitutional Civil Rights involved here. The 5th, 6th, and 14th Ammendments. Look 'em up. This proably also violates your rights under your State's Constitution also. Who maintains the cameras? I bet it is REDFLEX. So your County has entered into a Civil Contract with a Private Business, whose sole motive for existance is Making Money. Does it give you a web site to go to to view the violation? do a whois search of it and you will find the owners to be REDFLEX. Your fine is to be mailed directly to the company. They take their cut from every ticket and give your County the rest.

 

Frank

Jul 17, 2009

"every job has its perks, if you work for Comcast you get free cable, if you work the phone company you get free phone service stop complaining about the police and worry about your own lives."

Getting free coffee if you are cop, is a perk. Breaking the law, when you are supposed to be upholding it is not a perk, it is an abuse!
There are no good cops, just ask Serpico...

 

Tony

Jul 17, 2009

Just about every red light camera in metro Atlanta were removed as soon as the localities realized that the revenue from the camera issued tickets were less then the cost of maintaining them. Red light and speed cameras are only in place for one thing - revenue. Safety is of less concern for the police departments and localities. They want the money.

 

Tony

Jul 17, 2009

Frank: people who work for the cable company pay for cable!! And those who work for the phone companies also pay for phone and DSL service. Get your facts straight!!

 

Diogenes

Jul 17, 2009

What's the problem? Judge Rubin probably dismisses his own tickets, as well. This is just basic fairness. It is kind of like a special tax deduction for "LAW OFFICIALS".

 

Dave

Jul 17, 2009

What about off duty tickets?

 

Dead

Jul 17, 2009

My Mothers best friend was killed by a police officer running a red light. Guess what? All the officers in town banded together and came up with a b/s reason as to why he was speeding. End result: A big fat paycheck by taxpayers and no criminal charges against the scum who think he owns the streets.
DOWN WITH THE POLICE STATE AND UP WITH CONSTITUTIONAL LAW

 

F_MD_$cameras

Jul 18, 2009

I don't think pigs and pols should be free to break the law, but if you're ant-$camera you gotta love how a judge said the scam violates due process and is nothing but a cash cow. And this was Circuit Court meaning they must have had to appeal the rulings from the District/Traffic Court. That's what we all need to do is appeal our convictions from Traffic Court as a violation of due process or Equal Protection and get the issue in front of judges who are more seasoned in the law.

 

formerfuzz

Jul 19, 2009

As a retired cop, I've been disgusted for years at how many cops think a badge is a license to ignore speed limits. Nine out of ten times, it's only because they know they can get away with it. That's why I call in the number of any police unit I see "expediting" without apparent reason, lights or siren. Somebody has to watch the watchers.

 

Thomas Dutkiewicz

Jul 20, 2009

Did you know that the Supreme courts in many states ruled that use of cameras are unconstitutional. I will be glad to forward those rulings to you.

Tom
Parrotcentral@snet.net

 

MontCoPD

Jul 22, 2009

Bob,
You're obviously a sick Internet abuser. I stated facts; you stated nothing but empty rhetoric and threats.
It's blatantly obvious that you're an uneducated dolt, you have no adaptation to reality or real world skills. Go back to your computer in your mother's basement. There's porn sites you should be on instead of here.

 

wow

Aug 20, 2009

How DARE you question authority?

 

Citizen

Oct 7, 2009

I do believe that somewhere the law is broken to those whom want it to their favor, but for the ones who work to make ends meet, are the ones who suffer. Simply because of the way the law makes it, the camera is to catch someone doing something wrong, well if everyone is perfect then slap him or her with a ticket and pay up! Unfortunately, we are all imperfect humans, so if the cops can get away with it why not us the citizens who pay taxes to keep the streets clean and save, not make us homeless paying for a mistake. There is an 80% of the cities money comes from tickets, 20% comes from other means of taxes from the citizen. We can see why the crime rates are more up than driving issues. Yet the driving problems seem to be more important than someone’s life.

 


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