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Universal coverage? First, look at the disaster in Massachusetts

By: Examiner Editorial
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January 11, 2009

To much fanfare from both right and left in 2006, Massachusetts became the first state in the nation to require all residents to buy health insurance. A new state health insurance clearinghouse was created, with taxpayers subsidizing those who couldn’t afford to buy coverage. Then Gov. Mitt Romney, a Republican, promised that “every uninsured citizen in Massachusetts will soon have affordable health insurance.” Yet just two years later, Romney’s much-heralded “solution” — touted by many as the model for a national program — has become an embarrassing flop.

Just a year after the universal coverage law passed, The New York Times reported, state insurers were already jacking up rates to twice the national average. According to Dr. Paul Hsieh, a physician and founding member of Freedom and Individual Rights in Medicine, 43 mandatory benefits — including those that many people did not want or need, such as invitro fertilization — raised the costs of coverage for  Massachusetts residents by as much as 56 percent, depending upon an individual’s income status. So much for “affordable” health care.

Small businesses with more than 10 employees were required to provide health insurance or pay an extra fee to subsidize uninsured low-income residents, yet the overall costs of the program increased more than $400 million — 85 percent higher than original projections. To make up the difference, payments to health care providers were slashed, so many doctors and dentists in Massachusetts began refusing to take on new patients. In the state with the highest physician/patient ratio in the nation, some people now have to wait more than a year for a simple physical exam.

The irony is that Massachusetts officials reluctantly admitted that, despite increased enrollment, the state is still far from universal coverage — the original goal of the landmark law. To make matters worse, Massachusetts is grappling with a multibillion-dollar deficit while Democratic Gov. Deval Patrick desperately tries to slow down those still-spiraling health care costs, which he said last week were “not sustainable.”
If this sounds just like Canadian-style socialized medicine, that’s because it is. Massachusetts residents now pay more for less access to health care, yet their state still has an uninsured problem!

Government mandates — even those originally billed as “market-based  solutions” — always turn into a “rights-violating road to disaster,” Hsieh says. Barack Obama’s health policy advisers should take a good look at the smoldering wreckage in the Bay State before trying to impose any such “universal coverage” on the rest of the nation.



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Joan

Jan 11, 2009

Another great article about how horrible universal health care will be for the US taxpayer. We need to keep having articles bringing this information to the people's attention. I am so against government run health care as I know the average taxpayer will just be left to die eventually. We have the best health care in the world right now, it just needs a little tweaking but it does not need the government running it. Please, just say no America. Where will the Canadians go then for an MRI?

 

ClaireSolt

Jan 11, 2009

By contrast, Charlie C p;romised and delivered afordable health insurance. We now have competing carriers advertising it at $150 a month and $4 prescriptions at Walmart et al in Florida. Fee market is the way to go.

 

Jake

Jan 11, 2009

Whoever PAYS the premium has the power. As a patient, I would like to have control of my healthcare. Let ME decide what I need or want and the best doctor (not para-professional)to give it.

 

Vladimir Val Cymbal

Jan 11, 2009

This catastrophe needs to be shouted all over America and explained to all those that think they can live off of others. No society can afford to finance a system that pays the bills of those that do not produce enough to pay it them selves. More examples need to be brought out to the public on a daily basis. This country needs an education.

 

Brian Tinker

Jan 11, 2009

"Rights-violating road to disaster" - perfectly said, Dr. Hsieh, and I am glad to see such talk once again in print. You'd have to go back 232 years to see people in this region talking openly and seriously about individual rights.

 

Bobby

Jan 11, 2009

I have a friend who live in Ontario, Canada and he said that we are crazy to change our current Medical care.We should offer medical care to those who needs it, estimated to about 47 million americans are uninsured, and leave the current system alone. Having a universal coverage for everyone is a sure way to a disastrous medical care. The cost will be humongous and everyone suffers. There will be waiting lists just to see the doctor and you can forget an elective surgery.

 

olive

Jan 11, 2009

Thanks for reassuring me that I did the right thing in leaving MA 10 years ago.

 

Jon

Jan 11, 2009

I live in Massachusetts and this article is complete garbage. NOONE I know, nor have I heard of ANYONE waiting for any care.... get your facts straight.

 

Seerak

Jan 12, 2009

Jon: it's early. You've but gotten a taste of what you are in for once the system "ripens". Give it time. If you don't want to wait, however, I suggest you dig into British and Canadian news media to get your fill of it right now. Myself, I don't need to do that; I saw it all up front, and voted on the matter with my feet. As a Canadian expatriate living in the United States, I do not need reminding of the consequences of socialized medicine. With the experience of not only Canada and Europe readily accessible over the Internet, but those of Massachusetts and Tennessee right here in America, neither should Americans. But of even greater concern to me, is how Americans need to be reminded of the even more fundamental concern, which is freedom. I heartily applaud Dr. Hsieh's efforts in this regard.

 

URkidding

Jan 12, 2009

I live in MA and this is an out of state puff piece. The new initiative has cost problems but is no disaster. Employers are looking to eliminate employee health insurance so we get articles like this from the Payroll Charlies

 

Thanks people from MA

Jan 12, 2009

I am glad people from Massachusetts set things straight. It's all fear mongering yet again when it comes to the R's not wanting things. They can spin it, skew it, and down right lie about it, but these people are trying to instill fear into people. By the way Bobby, I have a lot of friends and some brothers in Canada and they say their way in Canada is the way to go and would fight tooth and nail if the government tried to get rid of it. Finally, we can not pick and choose what is to be free market. This country is not a pure free market. It is not a pure Capitalist nation. It is a mix. Many people are in denial. We are a public-private mix and the sooner we accept that, the sooner we can make the system better.

 

MKS

Jan 12, 2009

Capitalism is the economic version of democracy. People get to vote for the goods and services - such as health care - that they want, and come to a bilateral pact with providers on what they are willing to pay and what they are willing to accept. Any interference with this process is a step away from freedom. Geovernment interference - even by a government elected by the people - is still a step away from freedom. There is one function that a government may possibly perform well, and that function is military action.

 

MF

Jan 12, 2009

Sorry, those who have supported the MA health benefit debacle in reaction to this editorial have it wrong. Government rules; mandates and compulsory purchase, are in opposition to quality affordable care. Government cannot solve this, only private sector innovation and a variety of products that meets the perceived needs of citizens. Also, let's stop with the "47 million without health care." Filmmaker Stuart Browning, http://www.stuartbrowning.net, has done excellent work documenting the U.S. uninsured population (actually 8 million lack access to health care) and the nightmare that is the Canadian health care system. Listen to Canadians who are ill to get the real story on their health care system.

 

Ellen Dunthorne

Jan 12, 2009

This is nothing like Canadian - style socialized medicine. This is Corporate welfare for the Health Insurance Industry. Remember, this was formulated by a Republican.

 

disagree

Jan 12, 2009

Private sector is the reason we are in this debacle we are in now. I don't believe we can have unadulterated free market due to human nature. It can't help itself. If there is no regulation, you end up with greed and corruption. I also don't believe our economy can be run totally by government. I am wondering MF, where do you live? Two people wrote here from Massachusetts and say the system is working. And BTW, I have listened to people from Canada, and you are wrong about your statement.

 

silversurfer

Jan 12, 2009

In Texas, the cost of healthcare for illegal aliens in 2006 ran Texan taxpayers $670,000,000. This figure is documented in an article in the Houston Chronicle that came out last month. This is two-thirds of a BILLION dollars on heathcare for those in our country illegally in just one year and in just one state....YOU GO REWARD THOSE WHO SNEAK INTO OUR COUNTRY WITH YOUR MONEY, I will just pretend that I'm one of 'em and LIVE OFF OF YOU...sucker!

 

silversurfer

Jan 12, 2009

Oh, not Houston Chronicle, info came from an article in www.star-telegram.com Posted on Saturday, Dec. 13, 2008 Texas taxpayers spent $678 million on healthcare for illegal immigrants By ANDREW CHAVEZ Healthcare for illegal immigrants cost the Texas government and local hospital districts $678 million in a year, according to a new study that state lawmakers hope will show the federal government how much Texas is spending in uncompensated care for illegal immigrants. The study, by the Texas Health and Human Services Commission, estimates that $597 million of the total was spent by 94 public hospitals during fiscal 2005-06. The remainder, about $81 million, went to the state's contribution to emergency Medicaid, which pays for emergency medical care for things such as childbirth, and to the Texas Family Violence Program, which funds shelters, 24-hour hot lines, counseling and other related services. That figure is from fiscal 2006-07.

 

silversurfer

Jan 12, 2009

Now, besides the HUGE taxpayer burden for socialized medicine covering illegal aliens in Texas, I live in Cali and IT'S AN EVEN LARGER BURDEN IN MY STATE! Just wait 'til Tom Daschle in the Obama Administration will also INCLUDE illegal aliens and their ENTIRE FAMILIES thru CHAIN MIGRATION to be covered at American taxpayer expense for healthcare --- again, YOU PAY FOR IT! I'll just use your own policies against you and let you also pay for me....stooge!

 

GotOutOfIt

Jan 13, 2009

There's an easy way out. The law says that if you are Muslim, you are exempt from the requirement to purchase health insurance. In that case, the state of Massachusetts will pay for 100% of your health care. So, the solution is simple. Be a Muslim!

 

disagrees with disagree

Jan 13, 2009

If you think Canadians are happy with their system, try this simple experiment. Fly into Montreal or Toronto. Take a cab downtown, ask anybody, cab driver, random passer by. I tried to complement a Canadian on their health system as a way of making conversation, and swear to god, it looked like a vein was going to pop in his forehead. Talked to another Canadian who loved the system, said it worked great as long as you made a little "donation" to whatever functionary was in charge of getting you in front of a doctor. Govt control of an essential resource = bribery. It is a law of human nature as sure as the one that dictates that markets swing wildly sometimes.

 

Storminator

Jan 13, 2009

I also live in MA. My doctor is no longer accepting new patients. One of the doctors at my primary care practice has left the state. It took 6 months to schedule a physical. My premiums went up 20%. The neurosurgeon my PCP recommended for my son no longer takes my insurance - the fees are too low. So while my numbers aren't a perfect match with the article, they are in the ballpark. PS

 

BPG

Jan 13, 2009

Mass' universal insurance was formulated by a Republican? Clearly you don't know what you're talking about - it was signed by a Republican governor at the behest of a perpetually Democratic legislature. Socialized medicine is not the way to go. Canadians and Brits suffer horribly, and for no reason, because their system is the way it is. If they can afford to go elsewhere (America!) they go. Do you want to wait 6 months for an MRI? An ultrasound?

 

Bill

Jan 13, 2009

"Barack Obama’s health policy advisers should take a good look at the smoldering wreckage in the Bay State before trying to impose any such “universal coverage” on the rest of the nation." You're joking, right? Democrats NEVER look at the actual results that derive from their actions. As long as it feels good...

 

skeneogden

Jan 13, 2009

Remember, Canada can afford universal health care because America provides for its defense. Quite a little savings there.

 

MB

Jan 13, 2009

For those in MA claiming everything is fine because it works ok for them individually... well a lot of Americans are happy with their non-socialized healthcare as well, but its still considered a crisis. Anecdotal evidence isnt really relevant. You have to look at the studies, and clearly this program has cost far more than estimated and still failed to insure all the people its supposed to. I'd like to see some data on the availability issue.

 

LogicalUS

Jan 13, 2009

Socialized healthcare have been a disaster in Europe and they are already looking for ways out but liberals are not smart enough to analyze the results of their beliefs. They know what is right and correct and no amount of reality will change that knowledge. And, anyway, this time B. Hussein Obama will be in charge of nationalizing healthcare and everybody knows that a back-bench state senator knows everything about healthcare. It is always the same, this time it will work.

 

Paul Hsieh, MD

Jan 13, 2009

I am deeply grateful to the Examiner for discussing this important issue. If anyone wants more information about the facts and figures they cite, please see my article from the Fall 2008 issue of The Objective Standard: "Mandatory Insurance: Wrong For Massachusetts, Wrong For America": Paul Hsieh Freedom and Individual Rights in Medicine (FIRM)

 

george best, m.d.

Jan 13, 2009

a laudible attemp by mr. romney but one of the problems that drives up the cost is that the plan is not insurance, instead it is a health care all inclusive plan that society can not afford. health care insurance should be just that insurance against catastrophic loss.

 

Sara123

Jan 13, 2009

It does not bother socialists/liberals if these "free market" government manipulations wreck private health care. They did not care that government manipulations wrecked banking and the housing industry, either. They ultimately want to "progress" to government owned and controlled health care and banking.

 

cjg from Canada

Jan 13, 2009

My daughter who has some serious health problems has joined the ranks of the 5 million Canadians who don't have access to a family doctor.Even my own doctor will not take her on because he has no more room for another patient in a practice of about 1000 clients.There is presently a shortage of 20,000 doctors in this country.Something to think about before you start singing the praises of the Canadian way too loudly.

 

fijfi@hotmail.com

Jan 13, 2009

I don't live in MA, but NPR did a story this last weekend that said essentially the same thing as this article. The Apr 5 2008 edition of the NY Times had an article that reported on this issue also ( http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us/05doctors.html) There are plenty of other sources regarding this issue are they intentionally lying to destroy MA's excellent health care system?

 

Sharon

Jan 13, 2009

I live in Mass and my health care premium went from a completely unaffordable $1200 a month as a self employed person to $220/mo under Commonwealth Care. I retained my doctors and my benefits increrased. It is the ridiculous mandates by the legislature fro coverage of benefits which serve a very small minority that has driven the cost out of sight. Also not reported is the decrease in emergency room visits which should help in the long run. Being ignored is that this is not government run health care but subsidizing policy purchase of private sector plans.It is in no way comparable to Canadian or other socialist type plans. If the government would mandate a more reasonable bundle of services and stop covering illegals,the plan would work.

 

Tom

Jan 13, 2009

My family just got a high deductible policy with an HSA. Two results: we price shop now, and we avoid some (unnecessary?) health services. If everybody did that, it might go a long way towards containing health care costs.

 

hl_carr@yahoo.com

Jan 13, 2009

Yet another reason that, as a Republican, I am SO glad that I did not support Willard M. Romney for Prez last year; this was one of his "major" issues. A good thing he didn't run Staples like he ran Massachusetts; it would've been in Ch. 11 long ago.

 

Brian Tinker

Jan 13, 2009

Sharon: "Being ignored is that this is not government run health care but subsidizing policy purchase of private sector plans.It is in no way comparable to Canadian or other socialist type plans." On the contrary, they are synonymous. The only difference is in the degree of responsibility to which the government is willing to admit. The government does not have a money tree. They are taking the money to fund these subsidies from you and your community. This means there is less for you and everyone else to invest in other things, so the economy will necessarily be negatively affected. If your taxes go up, you are harmed now. If, instead, they fund it through deficit-spending, your children are harmed. Is that preferable? So long as the prices for these services are not subject to truly free competition, they will invariably remain above market value, and their stability and security will be dependent upon the whim of a politician and the highest bidder.

 

Sharon

Jan 13, 2009

Brian: On the contrary, I did have my choice of 3 plans with different price and deductible amounts. As a self employed person, I was faced with the worst situation from a free market standpoint. No employer subsidy, no group leverage and very high deductibles and copays. Getting access to group coverage at reasonable rates with choice of plans and ability to keep my current physicians at a time my income was reduced 60% by economic conditions was a godsend. Government mandating coverages I was unwilling to pay for increased my premiums without my consent. There is no such thing as free market when it comes to health care due to government interference. One year I paid $15000 in premiums and my insurance company paid out $2400. My copays came to another $3000. I am a healthy individual who should be paying very low premiums but making it "fair" costs me. How is this a free market?

 

Thomas

Jan 13, 2009

I told one of my Canadian colleagues -- she's in Toronto -- about my experience with valve repair (for those lucky enough to not know what that means, it means invasive heart surgery) in Delaware. She asked, "But you had to wait six months for the surgery, right?" I replied, "No, there are two hospitals in the Wilmington area I could have had the surgery at, and I could have had it at either place within a week. Heart patients are lucrative; hospitals compete for them." A long silence ensued.

 

Pigilito

Jan 13, 2009

Switzerland has an analoguous system that requires everyone to buy basic healthcare insurance. An separate emergency medicine policy is provided through one's employer. Everyone is free to purchase extras, such as a private room, dental, worldwide coverage, etc. Somehow their system works well (although at a fairly high cost compared to the rest of Europe, albeit still cheaper than what the US system costs).

 

Sam

Jan 13, 2009

Canadians who can afford to come to the US to get good, timely health care. Where will Americans go for theirs once the socialists destroy their own system? Maybe Mexico border towns are set to become the last refuge for fast, competent medical care. Congrats Mexico! Viva Obama!

 

JW

Jan 13, 2009

Thanks for a good article and thanks Dr. Hsieh for your hard work against UHC. I would advice all Americans to read Dr. Hsiehs essay MORAL HEALTH CARE VS. "UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE". I myself live in Sweden and our system is crumbling. UHC would be the most gigantic political mistake since social security and one that would burden Americans for decades to come. Come on, the American HC system is the worlds last hope of medical innovations...

 

Roderick Reilly

Jan 13, 2009

""""Two people wrote here from Massachusetts and say the system is working.""""""" The older you get, the less this system 'works' because the more medical care you need.

 

Roderick Reilly

Jan 13, 2009

""""""""I told one of my Canadian colleagues -- she's in Toronto -- about my experience with valve repair (for those lucky enough to not know what that means, it means invasive heart surgery) in Delaware. She asked, "But you had to wait six months for the surgery, right?" I replied, "No, there are two hospitals in the Wilmington area I could have had the surgery at, and I could have had it at either place within a week."""""""" The more expensive the medical need, the more obvious a national health care system's shorcomings become. It's perverse, because the young and healthy who need little attention will find no problem with the system, but the old, sick, disabled and otherwise vulnerable will be victimized by rationing and other arbitrary nonsense. Never, ever fails. Never.

 

Wait in line MA

Jan 13, 2009

Across Mass., wait to see doctors grows Access to care, insurance law cited for delays The wait to see primary care doctors in Massachusetts has grown to as long as 100 days, while the number of practices accepting new patients has dipped in the past four years, with care the scarcest in some rural areas. http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/09/22/across_mass_wait_to_see_doctors_grows/ Read the rest and take note!

 

cool breeze

Jan 13, 2009

I live in Massachusetts. My company provided better health insurance benefits to longer term and full time employees than to shorter term and part time employees. This is not allowed under Massachusetts new health care law. As soon as the law went into effect, my company immediately cut its health insurance benefits for everyone back to the state mandated minimum. Premiums have continued to skyrocket, the emergency rooms are still overflowing with uninsured illegals, many doctors (including mine) are not taking new patients, and the taxpayers are shelling out hundreds of millions more a year. It is a disaster.

 

b

Jan 13, 2009

@"Jon: "I live in Massachusetts and this article is complete garbage. NOONE I know, nor have I heard of ANYONE waiting for any care.... get your facts straight." Jon, your point is complete garbage. You are confusing personal anecdote for data.

 

Jan 13, 2009

When the current Republican Recession becomes the Republican Depression and NO ONE except the uber wealthy will be able to afford health care., all you fair weather 6 figure conservatives will be standing around screaming for someone to bail your self deceptive holier than thou asses out...again. I mean let's face it, you guys are at your best when spending other peoples money and telling other people what to do. Place head between knees and kiss your ill gotten gains bye bye. This Republican depression will take your money too.

 

Stella Baskomb

Jan 13, 2009

I think it's astonishing that anyone could find this result surprising in the least.

 

arw

Jan 13, 2009

so, Sharon is getting a subsidy even though she afforded the insurance before.

 

BrianLee

Jan 14, 2009

HE IS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I Live in MA, and my health car premium has gone thru the roof, all of my pay raises in the past few years have gone straight to pay for this mess. When are we going to understand that we cannot pay for those who will willfully neglect their duties as citizens of the greatest country in the known world. Now Deval Patrick wants to stick us with a 50 cent a gallon gas tax!!!!! He, and the criminal democrats who run this state are running it into the ground...............and blaming george Bush........cause the media promotes that bull!$@%#

 

This Country Is In For Rude Awakening

Jan 14, 2009

This country kept yabbering for change. Change We Can Believe In, yada yada. Don't get me wrong. I'm no Bush fan either, but you've swung from one extreme to the other. Socialism will not work in this country. Believe me. Idealism is all fine and well on paper, but it won't work in a sdociety that bails out banks and businesses when THEY scw up. You, as a citizen, decide not to buy a company's product because it's not what you're looking for, well guess what? You're gonna pay them one way or another. Big gubmint's gonna make sure that happens. We're so drunk on our perceived power that we don't realize it's going away....BIG TIME! We're going to be a has-been country...very soon. Trust me. We have no George Washington or Benjamin Franklins in our day and age. Only George Bushes, Madoff's, Pelosi's and Barney Franks. What a joke we've become.

 

Jan 14, 2009

The reason this did not work in Mass. is that it was not extended to the rest of the country. When you still allow "for profit" health care in the US you will see problems. I don't care what the right wing media continues to drumbeat about the so called problems in Euro and Canada as I don't hear them complaining and when asked independently about their life status what is continually evident is that they report being far more satisfied in their daily lives. The Europeans and Canadians don't complain about their health care. Europeans and Canadiens are not in any danger of losing their home or going bankrupt as the result of an unforseen medical emergency. Any problems that the right wing media such as rationed care, shortage of doctors etc occur right now in this country with those who have no coverage, live in rural areas etc. In short those countries that provide one payer health care do so far less expensively.

 

harold haeberlin

Jan 14, 2009

Most of the time Gov. gets involved it doesn't work. More people will use the service because they get it free while others pay. Not enough Drs. to handle the load, and you can't build charcter by giving things free, (A. Lincoln)

 

MA doctor

Jan 14, 2009

I have ben practicing medicine in MA for a decade and yes-like every other region in the US-there is a major health access crisis in MA. The think tanks forgot to evaluate and invest in the overall health infrastructure prior to adopting the universal health.Prior to adopting this law they should have made sure there was going to be enough clinics, hospital beds etc. Guess what? They didnt so its a supply/demand issue-more patients now accessing the system without adequate doctors, clinics, hospitals. Just wait until a natural disaster or pandemic hits (and it is just a matter of time) If you live in MA make sure one of your friends is a doctor, become a US senator or become incredibly rich.

 

Michael Z. Williamson

Jan 14, 2009

I grew up in Britain and Canada with their health care systems. "National health care" is not only a sham, but one that should result in politicians being shot and hanged from lampposts by their guts just for suggesting it. And Jon: Perhaps you don't know everyone in MA?

 

Nostra2004

Jan 14, 2009

"This Country Is In For Rude Awakening", you are right. Over time all our statesmen were replaced by crooks and lobbyists. Our country began with idealists, like Jefferson, but soon opportunists like Hamilton and big central government advocates like Lincoln prevailed. The Founders had a great grasp of human nature that guides men for good or ill but it seems their wisdom (e.g., gold-backing to money, no exclusive central bank, and a limited role for federal government) was depreciated to our national peril as quaint and no longer applicable to modern times. At the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a Mrs. Powel anxiously awaited the results, and as Benjamin Franklin emerged from the long task now finished, asked him directly: "Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" "A republic if you can keep it" responded Franklin. Its too bad we couldn't....

 

Captcorona

Jan 14, 2009

Any system that requires force or cohersion (Government Mandate) for participation can not be virtous by defination. As far as Free Market healthcare in the US.. you'll have to look back in history to find it (pre 1965). Today Medicare/Medicaid/SCHIP are responsible for 52% of the money spent in the US Health Industry. Since 1965 we have seen skyrocketing cost and quality of care dropping. Just wait until the Government controls the other 48%. It seems people don't often look for the actual causes of the problem and believe naively that Big Government is the soulution. History has shown us more often than not Big Government was in fact the problem.

 

Turquoise

Jan 15, 2009

See this website for tons of articles on the negative consequences of Socialized Health Care: http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/healthcare/socialized.html

 

Jan 15, 2009

Socialized medicine Bad

 

Rhonda

Jan 15, 2009

SSOCIALIZED MEDICINE BAD!!!!!!!!!

 

Zigory

Jan 17, 2009

This is a very important article and Hsieh is right about a "rights-violating road to disaster." I hope the Congress and the new administration look at these facts and the lessons they teach us and come to their senses before it's too late.

 

Joe C.

Jan 20, 2009

Government-inflicted universal health care has ben proven NOT TO WORK if one wants a health care system that is safe, effective, efficient, patient-centered, timely, and equitable.

 

Al435

Mar 27, 2009

Government health care, especially in vitro fertilization, destroys the environment by aggravating overpopulation.

 

armywife09

Apr 30, 2009

universal health care just doesnt work at all.my husband fought in Iraq as part of the first surge.and he got his back injured while fighting for the "freedoms" we hold so dear in this country. he comes back to his back is still injured and all he tries to do is get it fixed. but he's been fighting that government health care for the last year and still hasn't been treated.all they do is give you more drugs and try to manipulate you into loving their health care.and if you fight against it they criticize you and call you out for it.instead of complaining so much why don't people do something about it

 

Jones Charleston

Jun 25, 2009

To much of a strain on tax payers and small business empoyer will be force out of business in the future because increasing out of pocket cost.

 


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