Analysis of the House ACORN vote
By: Michael Barone
Senior Political Analyst
09/17/09 5:01 PM EDT
David Ensign
Sep 17, 2009
I am deeply disappointed and, quite frankly, disgusted by the vote on the ACORN funding cut.
As I am sure you know, ACORN is one of the few organizations in the United States that works solely to assist the poor and most vulnerable citizens. As with any large organization, including the United State Senate, they have their problems and have made their mistakes.
But how is it possible to cut the tiny federal funds for ACORN and continue massive federal expenditures to contractors such as Blackwater, whose employees have killed people?
This is a craven political vote of the worst kind.
Sincerely,
Rev. Dr. David Ensign
LadynChesapeake
Sep 17, 2009
With all due respect, Rev. Ensign calls 8.5 BILLION dollars allocated out to ACORN in the stimulus package as "tiny federal funds" ???
Blackwater is contracted by the government to serve as bodyguards. Yes, they have killed people. They were hired by the government knowing this.
Most reasonable people think ACORN should get NO MORE of our tax dollars until they are investigated. Don't understand why some people have a problem with that.
Sep 17, 2009
Blackwater may be evil. But Reverend, don't use them as an excuse to support a group which, as we have learned, uses federal money to systematically aid and abet sex trafficking in vulnerable, underage immigrant girls.
Peter
Sep 17, 2009
ACORN would never have seen 8.5 billion dollars, even before any of this controversy. That is how much money they could have qualified for, but if they received any of it, it would have been a fraction of that amount.
Blackwater, KBS, all of the wall street firms who were bailed out, they have looted the government of trillions of dollars, whereas ACORN has received 53 million over 15 years.
Peter
Sep 17, 2009
KBR, as in Haliburton subsidiary, not KBS.
Roxane Towner
Sep 17, 2009
The Drs comments fail to point out that the millions of dollars of taxpayers dollars already in ACORN has not been accounted for therefore he can not tie our taxpayer dollars to poor and vulnerable citizens. In addition, ACORN IS NOT the sole organization that assist poor people. You would have to expand the standard definition of poor to include those living all over the US not just in downtown Democratically run cities. When will people like the good Dr realize the majority of our nations poor are in cities ran by Democrats for decades and yet they are looking forward to those politicians to 'fix' what they have created. Continuously doing the same thing expecting a different outcome is classically defined as crazy.
chicagomatt
Sep 17, 2009
anyone who is 'disgusted' by ACORN's funding being cut off either has not seen the the disturbing videos released almost daily for the last week, or they are just catching up because they limit themselves to network tv news sources.. and this whole thing is ON TOP OF the fact that they are already under investigation in something like 14 states for voter fraud. How can anybody with a conscience or who pays taxes stand behind such a corrupt and disgusting organization?...and save the Haliburton and Blackwater stuff for another day.. you are just a frustrated liberal trying to compare situations that are vastly different.
ggordon
Sep 17, 2009
uh David. These funding decisions should stand on their own - who cares about Blackwater. I'm sure that Congress - in their infinite wisdom will do the right thing.
Evidently there was enough evidence to convince even the democrats to defund. Frankly, there should be a RICO investigation - what we know is probably a small percentage of their illegal activity, or very poor advice giving. It is like an ongoing criminal enterprise. I'm not holding my breath though on Holder and the Obama department of very selective justice to do anything meaningful.
ggordon
Sep 17, 2009
why do any organizations - democratic or republican - get any money when it is done with very deep deficit spending? Gotta start somewhere. If they are so valuable to the community, they'll get there money privately.
People should go to their churches for assistance - and no, I'm not some religious zealot. Churches are just a good source of support.
USAMan
Sep 17, 2009
The Rev. Ensign's pathetic justification of the ACORN organized criminal conspiracy is a pathetic example of the knee-jerk support for those who bilk the American taxpayer and follow Saul Alinsky's dictum that their end justifies ANY means.
brett
Sep 17, 2009
Clearly funding for ACORN would be wrong at this point. Perhaps we should back off both parties and let them work. They did get it right in this case.
John
Sep 17, 2009
The Rev. Ensign although somewhat educated, is another example of an individual that thinks the three dimensional universe is just unfair and the Big Bang had major errors in creating the present reality. If he could survive a possible future Big Crunch, the Rev. might be a consultant to the Creative Forces during the next reality sequence. What the heck, he's probably a Fabian Socialist from the word, go.
Yehudit
Sep 17, 2009
Someone needs to get a screenshot of this before it disappears: ACORN endorsement on my.barackobama.com , also quotes showing how chummy the Prez has been with the group. I mean we know that but here it's in their own words.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGC7zm
gregg
Sep 17, 2009
Rev. Dr, you should be ashamed of yourself. To support a organization, which , as you can see, promotes prostitution, especially child is autrocious. Shame on you. May god forgives you of your sin.
Mike
Sep 17, 2009
The corruption of this ACORN organization is obvious and it was correct to defund it. The as yet to be answered question is how corrupt is SEIU and why are our politicians so anxious to force legislation through that benefits them? This needs to be thoroughly looked. Not only are we 50 trillion dollars in debt through unfunded liabilities, but our Congress keeps cranking out the money as though there is no tomorrow. The end result will be the total devaluation of currency and we will have our own corruption to blame.
ZooWH
Sep 17, 2009
Just wonder is Rev. Dr. David Ensign preaching the same places as Rev. Jeremiah Wright?
Bill
Sep 17, 2009
Rev. Ensign I'll say a prayer for you and for the record I am very gald that I do not go to your church.
elixelx
Sep 18, 2009
"All Comparisons are Odious", said Cervantes, and the comparison of ACORN to BLACKWATER, mooted by the first correspondent, is especially so.
After all, both organizations are supposed to save and protect lives, one with violence if need be, the other with love, where possible...
So Blackwater has done, is doing, its job...
ChemDaddy
Sep 18, 2009
How about reading what ACORN has to say about all this before passing judgement on the whole organization?
http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12439&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=22584&tx_ttnews[backPid]=12387&cHash=913db2b19b
Obviously the actions shown in these videos are wrong. Not much debate there. Aiding and abetting sex trafficing of minors is wrong.
But you can't turn around and say the whole organization is corrupt. That's not playing fair.
You can't turn around and say "ACORN promotes child prostitution". That's ridiculous.
When Micheal Vick went out and got involved in dog fighting nobody started shouting "The whole NFL is corrupt and supports the abusive treatment of animals! Stop wathcing football!".
How about an article or two talking about the good that has been done by ACORN?
Nolanimrod
Sep 18, 2009
Reverend is generally a description, not a title. Therefore, while I might call Dr. Ensign "the Reverend Dr. Ensign" it isn't part of his name.
I would not sign my own missives "The Glorious and Enlightened Nolanimrod." But then I would not be aghast at cancelling the Gold Card of a notorious criminal enterprise whose acts of "helping people" usually involve fraud, extortion, and protection racketeering.
jeanne
Sep 18, 2009
Washington Examiner and most of the Alternative Media completely missed the big story behind yesterday's vote to Defund ACORN -
It was included in the STUDENT LOAN BILL, WHICH THE HOUSE VOTED ON YESTERDAY WHICH LETS THE GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER THE STUDENT LOAN INDUSTRY.
That's the big news of the day which was totally ignored by even the Internet Alternative News and Bloggers -- except for a few enlightened folks -- like Michelle Bachmann wrote a column about it.
jeanne
Sep 18, 2009
Student loan market overhaul approved by U.S. House
* * * * * *
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE58G5KF20090917
House Expected to Pass Government Takeover of Student Loans
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2009/september/0917_student_loans.shtml
* * * * * *
Government to take over all student loans (Rep. Michele Bachmann)
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/education/59191-government-to-take-over-all-student-loans-rep-michele-bachmann
* * * * * *
Congratulations. You're about to own $100 billion a year in student loans.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574405154157021052.html
Concerned Kev
Sep 18, 2009
Mr. Ensign:
You forgo the title reverend with is reserved for people of reverence. Supporting a group open to trafficking under-aged girls, tax evasion and assisting in the creation of a brothel does not command reverence.
JamesJ
Sep 18, 2009
When your only retort to an argument is :yeah, but Bush, Blackwater, Republicans did..." you lost the argument
StargazerInSavannah
Sep 18, 2009
Facts are that funding Acorn from the treasury is funding the enemy of this republic. It is much like donating all of your guns and ammunition to an organization working to kill you.
fedup
Sep 18, 2009
Obama owes a lot a ACORN, more than the $800,000 his election campaign funneled to them. Watch'em try to sweep this under the rug again and again and again. lieslieslie
Marcia
Sep 18, 2009
ACORN is nominally a non-profit, 501(c)3 organization. It cannot engage in partisan politics without being subject to IRS review and loss of its non-profit status. It and its subsidiaries are a get-out-the-vote organization for Democrats. Aside from being like termites eating away at the foundations of electoral democracy, ACORN is in violation of IRS law and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Most corrupt administration, ever, already.
wytshus
Sep 18, 2009
Looks like Obama is going to need a bigger bus....
Ed in Texas
Sep 18, 2009
ChemDaddy - your comparison to the NFL and Vick is interesting. If there were only a single instance of lawbreaking (or advising on how to break various laws), as in the Vick incident, you would be correct. But since there was only a single instance of NFL players conducting illegal dog fights, nobody would claim the NFL is an illegal organization. OTOH, there are at least 4 instances, in different cities, of ACORN workers openly advising methods to violate child sex abuse statutes, IRS statutes and ways to obtain a home loan fraudulently. And that doesn't take into consideration the multiple indictments in various states for election registration criminal violations. And the incident of the brother of ACORN founder embezzlement of $1 million USD, with no formal complaint made to authorities.
Nope, that dog won't hunt.
absolutelycrazy
Sep 18, 2009
The public is tire of being tire of funding programs that do not deliver results.
Liz
Sep 18, 2009
The so calledRev.has no business calling himself a man of God. Anybody who condones selling little girls lives for their own selfish gains is not any man the world needs to hear!!! Thank God the Gov. Was forced to do the right thing.
Wpbtonzlewis
Sep 18, 2009
This article & vote proves Glenn Beck's point about the problems with gerrymandered districts starting on page 50 of his book Common Sense,
Noel Granite
Sep 18, 2009
If the title 'Dr.'(Dr. Lamont Hill) and 'Rev.'(Rev.Jesse Jackson) have not already lost relevant status,they sure took a hit with that opening comment.One last thing my fellow political junkies,let's stop calling the CBC and other assorted black politicians 'liberal'.They are anything but.They just tie their train to the white liberal east/west coast politicians that promise the world as to get the black vote.As far as Waters/Van Jones and other assorted blacks who romanticize with communism, that's laughable.They have never lived under it and would fail miserably if they had to.
paulc
Sep 18, 2009
gents,
acorn is exploiting poor people, the guys at the top are stone cold felons and exploiting people. Isnt that obvious that they did not bat an eyelash at sex trafficking underage illegal immagrants? Nothing, repeat, NOthing could be more replusive!!
flush em!
mhsn
Sep 18, 2009
We who worked so hard for voter rights are
appalled with Acorn and its fraudulent voter registration programs in so many states. Those of us who worked for human
rights are appalled by so many Acorn offices having no problem with prostituting children. Shame on them and shame on those who defend them and enable them to continue in their immoral actions.
workit49
Sep 18, 2009
Thank You ChemDaddy for bringing some reason and sane analysis to this discussion about ACORN. The Far Right which has destroyed the Republican Party and this Nation will not be able to cover up the fact that on this issue as well as 99% of all the other issues, their perspective in unbelievably narrow.
Henry A. Mitchell
Sep 18, 2009
Why are we funding political action groups anyway? They even share offices with the Dem. Party in one of their locations.
What the Hell, churches, schools, Red Cross, and all the other thousands of "points of light" aren't good enough? My church doesn't get gov't largesse, why should f'n ACORN scumbags?
And it just begins with this episode; the voting scandals and all the rest--you folks defending this are truly the nutty left--even your Party won't defend it.
Insignia
Sep 19, 2009
The shocking issue is: How did ACORN get into the pockets of the American taxpayer in the first instance?
Congress is not staffed with stupid people, they know exactly what's going on. I want Congress to expalin how it is that Congress, as the custodian of the peoples' trust and money, made the decision to fund the corrupt ACORN organizations to the extent of $8.5 billion.
RabbitDawg
Sep 19, 2009
There is a certain hubris in the air here that concerns me. We should not be afraid, but let's not forget to watch our backs.
ACORN is more like a syndicate, than a simple band of community groups. They pull the strings of some very powerful people in high places, and these people are not going to melt away into oblivion.
Right now I can imagine that there are quite a few people within the ACORN structure that see this as an opportunity to regroup and attack back, and these people are not stupid. Socialist, but not stupid.
Sure, there has been some venomous whining about recording the few tea party nut cases among us, and even members of various right-wing fringe groups and churches, then publicizing the videos. That is not what worries me.
These folks have had a taste of power, and I do not doubt that, at least a few of them, will resort to any means necessary to regain it. No reason to be paranoid, but we need not be complacent, and we need to watch our backs.
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John
Dec 30, 2009
You would have to expand the standard definition of poor to include those living all over the US not just in downtown Democratically run cities.
Henry B.
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How can anybody with a conscience or who pays taxes stand behind such a corrupt and disgusting organization? 
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