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Is Obama's dithering similar to that of Civil War general George B. McClellan?

By: J.P. Freire
Associate Commentary Editor
11/26/09 1:34 AM EST

On the Charlie Rose Show, presidential biographer Doris Kearns Goodwin said President Obama mustn't be rushed to make a decision. After all, she noted, Lincoln waited until the right time to make the Emancipation Proclamation. I'm curious how a Pulitzer-Prize winning historian who has written a fantastic book on Lincoln's political genius would make such a poor analogy -- not merely because of the incongruity of the conflicts, but because it's a tragic example of dithering that cost lives.

The Emancipation Proclamation did indeed require good timing, thus it followed on the heels of the victory of the Battle of Antietam. But Lincoln had already set his mind on freeing the slaves -- the wording and political support merely needed to be solidified. He already knew of his strategy. The person who was causing the delay was in fact General George B. McClellan, whose willingness to delay action and refusal to do so allowed enemy forces to prepare and react.

McClellan's, shall we call it, dithering, caused Antietam to become the bloodiest day of the Civil War, in fact, the single bloodiest day in American military history. General Lee had said of him, "He is an able general but a very cautious one. His army is in a very demoralized and chaotic condition, and will not be prepared for offensive operations—or he will not think it so—for three or four weeks."

McClellan also constantly overestimated opposing forces, which led him to be overly cautious, and after the Battle of Ball's Bluff, his officers admitted they had no clue what the strategy was.

The only way he was stirred to reveal his plans (or that he actually had any) was when Lincoln asserted himself. In many historical opinions, this was a bit late in the game -- if Lincoln had been more willing to demand more of his general (or fire him right away), the Confederacy wouldn't have advanced so greatly so early on.

Lincoln had even said, "If General McClellan does not want to use the army, I would like to borrow it for a time." In defending his decision to promote McClellan in the first place: "If he can't fight himself, he excels in making others ready to fight." Not so much a man of action, this McClellan fellow.

In fact, during the very conference where the Emancipation Proclamation was finally discussed (the War Governors' Conference) the governors of Union states argued over whether to fire the general.

One need only do a search for "McClellan" in Kearns' own book to know the problem.

So let's be clear: General McChrystal told the president that the war could be lost in a year, and three months of that year have been given to the enemy to regroup and prepare. War, as it happens, is a zero-sum game in which waiting does, in fact, cost lives. This isn't a mere political football. If you have a general who is competent, as McChrystal is, give him what he says he needs to win. 




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Publius

Nov 26, 2009

After the war General Lee was asked at a dinner partry who was the best general he fought. "McClellan by all odds," was Lee's terse answer. As to Obama's dithering, he simply wants to avoid another VIetnam in which we lost 58,000 military dead for no good reason. The same North Vietnam regime that we tried to annihilate is still in power and is now our "most favored nation" trading partner. Also a participant with our military in calculating containment strategies for China which is rearming. Go figure. Robert S. McNamara ten years ago met with his counterpart on the North Vietnam side and conceded the war was a monumental mistake on our part.

 

Rick Caird

Nov 26, 2009

Publius offers more junk from the left. I see no reference for Lee claiming McClellan was the best opposing general. Really, Publius? A dinner party? How about the results. Not so good for McClellan, eh?

McNamara said Vietnam was a "mistake" becuase he did not feel it could be won. But, it was won until the Democrats managed to seize defeat from the jaws of victory by refusing to support South Vietnam. I suppose Publius will now tell us Tet was a military defeat.

Rick

 

Sectionhand

Nov 26, 2009

McClellan tended to see rebel troops in huge numbers where none existed . One could say that he saw Confederates under his bed . Lincoln was more than willing to back any general who would fight and had a plan which is why he rufused to fire Grant early in the war over charges of drunken behavior ; " I can not spare this man ... he fights !"

Lincoln once opined over McClellan's constant demands for more troops ; " Sending troops to General McClellan is like shoveling fleas across a barnyard with a pitchfork ... barely any of them get there ."

The at best meager victory at Antietam was latched onto by Lincoln more as an excuse than a solid reason to issue The Emancipation Proclamation . It was , to him , a tool of war rather than anything else and he realized it only had "teeth" where the Union Army existed .

 

Constitution Reloaded

Nov 26, 2009

Ms. Kerns-Goodwin seems to forget that the military strategy was developed by the Bush Administration in the fall and affirmed by Obama in March. Indeed, Obama concurred until it was time to execute. The essential issue is not strategy - it is resolve and commitment to win.

 

Chuckklein

Nov 26, 2009

Antietam was not the bloodiest battle, just the bloodiest day. If you are going to make analogies to a "traditional" domestic war fought 150 years ago, make sure you at least get your facts straight. When you don't, your entire argument goes out the window.

 

Publius

Nov 26, 2009

In the memoirs of Cassius Lee is an account of his discussion of the war with General Lee - a topic the General rarely engaged in. The following is a quote from the Cassius's memoir: "I asked him which of the Federal generals he considered the greatest, and he answered most emphatically 'McClellan by all odds."

 

ggordon

Nov 26, 2009

Obama is making exactly the same mistakes as in Vietnam. Politics first, and calling the shots from the oval office. Obama has absolutely NO experience at making military (or any other important) decisions.
Unleash the military. Quit with the Oval Office dictated rules if engagement. "Limited war" is an oxymoron. Overwhelm the enemy...
Last - quit trying to discipline Navy Seals for giving murderers and terrorists fat lips. The "fat lip" terrorist publicly murdered 4 Americans, then burned their bodies.
He deserves 1 bullet...

 

ladybug

Nov 26, 2009

Obama's ability to describe the world that people would like to have and then to get some to continue to believe in his possibilities instead of his realities will likely be described in detail by biographers someday. Today the historians, such as Kearns-Goodwin seem to not be able to free themselves of the veils of hope and possibility to see reality.

For all our sakes I wish he had pragmatic counselors that he would listen to. It's going on 3 months since the assessment that he requested was delivered, but not given a priority by him.

I'm sure there are biographies of this presidency being sketched out as it is happening. I hope these biographers will remove the veils of hope from their eyes and wait to see what really happens instead of insisting they know what will happen. Otherwise their books will be viewed as fiction in the future instead of the non-fiction of reality.

 

Publius

Nov 26, 2009

On YouTube there is an excellent 3 minute clip of Robert S. McNamara explaining why the VIetnam War was a colossal mistake for three reasons - there was no threat of a rollout of communism across SE Asia, we did not understand it was a civil war rather than a war to expand communism, and our military strategy was more suited for a war against the Soviet Union than for the methods used by the North Vietnamese. The clip title is "Robert McNamara admits Vietnam was a mistake." Note in particular that he did NOT say it was a mistake because we did not win it.

 

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Nov 26, 2009

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tucanofulano

Nov 26, 2009

Now that the world knows the entire "global warming" so-called "data" has been exposed as fake, made-up, phoney-baloney, politically correct, utter nonsense, and that the pseudo-scientists who hid all this for some 25 years have been exposed for the posers and scam artists they are, WHAT IS THE POINT OF SENDING THE POTUS TO DENMARK? Unless, of course, the politically correct PR nonsense being used to gain CONTROL over Americans (and everybody else) is the one and the only real goal . Anti-Americans like Boxer, Kerry, Feinstein, Reid, and Obama among others are pushing to completely take over Healthcare, Insurance, Banking, Autos, and everything that makes life worth living, e.g. freedom ! All are ( expetives deleted).

 

Conservadick

Nov 27, 2009

You buried the lead, J.P. The last paragraph should have been up near the top.

 

Some Anti-Plagiarism Guy

Nov 27, 2009

I wouldn't hold Doris Kearns Goodwin's statement against her. After all, she probably just plagiarized it from someone else.

 

get2djnow

Nov 27, 2009

Publius' comments about Vietnam and the traitor McNamara are cogent only in this regard: Millions of lives could have been saved by the proper actions of the US. American intervention should have prevented the ascendancy of Pol Pot (saving 3,000,000 lives), defeated the Communists in N. Vietnam (saving untold millions more) and halted any progress that the Soviet dreamed of making in obtaining a warm-water port for it's Navy (very likely shortening the Cold War).

So too in A-stan (and Iraq). 25 million Iraqis breathe free from the tyranny of Sadam and his evil sons. In A-stan girls are receiving educations and women's rights are advancing at pace the Taliban would never tolerate. The Jihadi-in-Chief fiddles while the advances are lost. In a word, dithering, is costing lives (American, coalition, and A-stan civilian) and threatening to collapse the fragile, though probably corrupt Karzai government. Bravo Zulu you putz.

David Jacobson
Cleveland, OH

 

foursixteenrigby@excite.com

Nov 27, 2009

Publius:

"Best" general for who? For what was best for Lee? Or what was best for the Union?

The best Union general for Lee from Lee's perspective was certainly McClellan. The worst general from Lee's perspective would probably have been Grant.

Get it?

 

Thundar

Nov 27, 2009

Perhaps Publius would like to elaborate on the source of his Robert E Lee quote. There's no reference to Cassius Lee in Wikipedia, Google search finds no link to memoirs by Cassius Lee, Amazon has no books. While Robert E Lee did appear to have a cousin named Cassius, the only reference I could find (under Richard Henry Lee in Wikipedia) indicated the man died in 1850. This, IF Robert E Lee did indeed tell Cassius Lee that McCellan was the Union's best general, then it was an opinion formed before the Civil War and thus **uninformed by actual experience**. In other words, like most liberals' opinions on almost any subject.

Perhaps Publius refers to another Cassius Lee. In which case, he should provide the full title of the reference.

 

Kerry

Nov 27, 2009

"O": It is imperative that we act immediately on everything I want to do, and do it right away!!!!! The (pick one) economy, unemployment, banks, credit, lending, Nobel Peace Prize, stupid Cambridge police, Don't jump to conclusions about that supposed killer at Ft. Hood, TARP, BARF, CLOWN or, (HEH!) man made global warming can not wait one SEcond LONGER!!!! Eeeeee! But I will need several years, at least since in Sep of 2008 when I said, “His plan comes up short. There’s not enough troops, not enough resources and not enough urgency. What President Bush and Senator McCain don’t understand is that the central front in the War on Terror is not in Iraq and never was. The central front is in Afghanistan and Pakistan where the terrorists who hit us on 9-11 are still plotting attacks seven years later.”

 

Kerry

Nov 27, 2009

Sorry for the rough writing. If the economy, and TARP, and the bailout, and the 'reform' of the banks, and Wax-man-Markey and the health takeover and all the rest must be done immediately, there is no time to even read this/these 2000 pages of bills, why, given what he said during the campaign, is defeating the killers in Afghanistan not immediately urgent? The only thing Pres. Zero knows anything about is reading from well prepared messages. Yet on this one thing, military affairs, where, arguably he knows the very least, he will not trust the recommendation of the man picked to lead the fight? Why?

 

Rick Caird

Nov 27, 2009

Publius is still messing around. I found the reference he was quoting, however it was not a dinner party. It was prefaced with "Together, with no audience except Cassius Lee's silently attentive sons...". In other words this is one guy with one remembrance. I would not hang my hat on that one.

Publius also misstates the McNamara video. McNamara claims that he made a mistake in his views, but that is with nearly 50 years of hindsight. He is basically saying the domino theory was wrong (maybe, maybe not). He also argued we fought the war wrong, but by the end,we had been fighting guerrillas, not Soviets. Still, he forgets the North's regular army.

 

Donald Sensing

Nov 27, 2009

I compared Obama to McClellan a month ago, using Michael Hyatt's analysis of McClellan's "five fatal flaws." They were:

Hesitating to take definitive action

Complaining about a lack of resources.

Refusing to take responsibility

Abusing the privileges of leadership

Engaging in acts of insubordination.

I think Obama scores on four of the five.

 

greybeard

Nov 27, 2009

To many (I believe a strong majority) of Democrats, the images of the last Americans fleeing Saigon via helicopters on the embassy roof aren't marks of shame, they're sacred icons. They mark the moment when Amerikkka got its face justifiably rubbed in the muck. It's a moment they desperately want to create again, and Obama's trying to figure out how to create it without making it blatantly obvious he's "throwing" the war.

 

richard mcenroe

Nov 27, 2009

He Who Hesitates...

 

Va_lawgal

Nov 27, 2009

Publius is right as to his citation, but the quotation itself has long been discredited by serious historians.

No one who has amde a study of the subject believes Lee ever said it.

 

antiPublius

Nov 27, 2009

antiPublius, like my name? Anyways, get2djnow and Va_lawgal is right about Publius throwing out crap. In college you might get away with stupid crap like that, but in the real world where there are consequences, people are going to ask questions. This ain't a sociology class or any other fake major class, where the professor can just throw out @#$# and the naive class by threat of grade or ignorance soaks it up.

McCellan is the epitome of the North's supposed leadership superiority by virtue of inheriting the cream of the West Point talent after the split. Brilliant in the classroom, but having no real sense or intuition in fighting a real war.

 

Marine

Nov 27, 2009

At the end of all the "intellectual infantry" debates, Patton, a misplaced Marine, basically had it right.
To paraphrase, Kill more of them than they do of you.
If we stop all the verbal jousting, and academic stratagy sessions, we could have his wrapped up in about 6 months to a year.
The problem is that all those who haven't gone or will not go do not have the fortitude to stand behind that which needs to be done.
And for them, I can only hope the next bomb laden vest deploys next to you.

 

wire_paladin

Nov 27, 2009

excellent comparison McClellan to obama. i had hoped that we would prevail in afghanistan, but we can't with this imbecile as C.I.C. it is unconscionable that one more american should lose his life because of obama's fear to act.

 

Rich Rostrom

Nov 28, 2009

McClellan is an interesting comparison. My opinion is that McClellan suffered from an inability to "see" the tactical situation he was in, something like "tone deafness". It was a limitation he couldn't define and which no one could explain to him. But it left him so uncertain that he was often paralyzed.

What if Obama is similar? That is, conditions which are clear to others are not clear to him, but there are no standard verbal referents for these perceptions, so no one can say what is happening or missing.

 

Publius

Nov 28, 2009

I believe Lee came to respect McClellan at Seven Days and at Antietam where Lee's forces took an awful mauling from a surprisingly well trained and well supplied Union army. Richmond could have fallen at Seven Days - it was a near run thing. I think he respected Grant less because in the jughandle campaign Grant had overwhelming superiority and used it with less martial art than brute force. Even Grant admitted Cold Harbor was a terrible mistake on his part. Also both Lee and McClellan were the perfect models of the West Point officer - refined gentlemen well trained in the art of war. As a Virginia aristocrat, it is doubtful that Lee thought much of the more plebeian (to put it mildly) Grant. In addition McClellan had for many years had profound sympathies for the South and its cause.

 

Publius

Nov 28, 2009

With respect to Obama's ability "to see the tactical situation" in Afghanistan, it is the strategic picture that is the greater concern. Afghanistan is called "the destroyer of empires" by historians since every invading force was ultimately destroyed. Not a nation in any coherentg sense of the word, it is a hodgepot of warlords who can agree on only one thing - they all hate outsiders who invade their turf for it intereferes with their preferred enjoyment of feuding with each other. The illiteracy rate is 95%; the culture has advanced little since the stone age. Trying to inject democracy into this environment is to tilt at windmills.

 

Demisticles

Nov 28, 2009

Afghanistan, "the destroyer of empires?
Didn't we hear the same jargon about Iraq? How the Brits and Alexander were never able to tame that country? You don't have much faith in our average soldier/marine's ability to make friends and fight the enemy. And how racist is it to think that an illiterate and poor people could never understand such an intellecutal concept of democracy. They couldn't possibly grasp the idea of not being ruled by warlords and contributing a vote to how their tribe/country is governed?! It seems to me liberals are trying to perpetuate ignorance and tribalism. There is nothing glamorous or quaint about how the Afghans are living. It benefits us to bring them into the 21st century. That's right, the dreaded phrase, nation-building.

 

Publius

Nov 28, 2009

It was the great Reagan who said one of the core principles of conservatism is to decline to be the world's 911 number. He echoed our original conservative George Washington who advised us to avoid foreign entanglements in his farewell address. Our founding fathers opposed the creation of a standing army lest it be used in foreign empire building adventures. They also also placed profound importance on our British heritage of democracy that began with the Magna Carta and was perfected under the influence of European humanism (renaissance, reformation, enlightenment)m - they considered these as essential backdrops for American democracy. Thus true conservatism looks at ourv adventure in Afghanistan with a skeptical eye. But half the people alive today in America know nothing of the Vietnam war and the turmoil and loss of blood and treasure it involved. So history repeats itself.

 

Publius

Nov 28, 2009

Reagan's SecDef Weinberger spelled out Reagan's criteria for going to war as follows on 11/28/84 at the Natl. Press Club:
1. Our vital interests must be at stake.
2. We must be willing to commit adequate forces to win.
3. We must have clearly defined military and political objectives
4. We must have sized our forces to achieve these objectives
5. We must not go to war without the broad support of our citizens
6. We must commit to combat only as a last resort.
By adhering to these requirements Obama is being as conservative as a President can get. Domestically, yes, he leans hard toward the polar opposite of conservatism. But as Commander in Chief he is doing just the right thing.

 

Misterbusy

Nov 29, 2009

Publius is correct about the war in Afghanistan. I would pose this question to those who seem so willing to commit more troops to Afghanistan: "How will we know when the war is won?" We occupy the country now. There is no Afghan army opposing us. Let us declare victory and leave that godforsaken sh*thole of a country.

 

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