Obamacare won't cover illegal immigrants? Yes it will, says Congressional Research Service

Reader Comments

Aug 26, 2009

I hope now those who keep telling us we are wrong when we point out the bill would cover illegal immigrants, will now apologize for their error. Riiiiiiight.

Rick

Aug 26, 2009

How is this fair I work my tail off trying to pay my rent, and bills my healt care hardly covers my pregancy and i get turned down for help but a bunch of border jumpers get free health care???? how is this even right ?????

Aug 26, 2009

All you knee-jerk respondents to Mr. Tapscott's claims (as he quotes the CRC) need to get a reality check and READ THE SPECIFIC TEXT OF THE BILL, instead of reading someone else's interpretation.

HERE'S THE BILL: do a search for Section. 246 in Subtitle C
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

HR 3200, SUBTITLE C, SECTION 246
“Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”

AGAIN, READ IT FOR YOURSELF AND STOP LISTENING TO FEAR MONGERS.

Aug 26, 2009

Illegals are already covered. Have you heard the term "Emergency Room". Wow, you Demegogs are at it again. The bill makes no provisions for illegals. By the same token there are no restrictions on Emergency Rooms. Distortion of the facts will only appeal to the Morons that want this President to fail.

Aug 26, 2009

A basic question for the Democratic leadership to answer is, if H.R. 3200 denies care to illegal aliens, why did the House Ways and Means Committee, under Democratic leadership, vote down the Heller Amendment, which would have installed basic database cross-checks to ensure that applicants seeking coverage under H.R. 3200 were U.S. citizens? Sure, H.R. 3200 contains a brief, obligatory reference denying coverage to illegal aliens, but what good is this if the means to enforce it are absent?

Aug 26, 2009

Henry,

While I applaud your research efforts, the reason for the "knee-jerk response" and I dare say for the CRC's interpretation is due to the fact that there is no provision in the bill which requires any proof of citizenship or lawful presence in the U.S. Without such a requirement, Sec. 246 is mere fluff.

Aug 26, 2009

Oops, apologies, Henry... mistook you for the author of the all-caps rant above. He apparently didn't bother to leave a name.

Aug 26, 2009

This pres is a liar over and over again...I.E. the amt of the national debt is waaaaaaaayyyyyyyy off....Why do we need czars who report to the pres directly? We have a cabinet...These guys are scary...Chicago tough guy politicians, black panthers and avowed communists and socialists...How can this be a good thing for the country? Who pays their salaries, what are they doing???? Anyone who thought Bush admin was secretive, needs to check these thugs out....Check the bill yourself, i have and it's not what Obama is saying, he's either uniformed (great) or lying...READ THE BILL...You won't be able to keep your current medical insurance...Big Brother will force you to take the Govt's....terrifying...that enables the govt. to go into your most personal info, bank accts, etc...trouble ahead

Aug 26, 2009

I READ AND STUDIED THE BILL.

IT DOES NOT ALLOW THE GOVERNMENT IN OUR BANK ACCOUNTS.

As for illegals:JESUS SAID:
"WHATEVER YOU DID NOT DO FOR THE LEAST OF THESE, YOU DID NOT DO IT FOR ME."

Personally I think we would be pretty sorry to refuse care to anyone...we do better than that for ANIMALS in this country.

Aug 26, 2009

To the person who quoted the section that illegals are not covered, try again. Once a bill passes making illegals LEGAL in this country - "amnesty" - then they WILL be covered. This has nothing to do with "fear-mongering," and everything to do with staying one step ahead of the Democrats' game plan.

Aug 26, 2009

THIS ANALYSIS ILLUSTRATES WHY illegal aliens WILL benefit from the health bill:

Is the Congressional Research Service Making 'False Claims' Too?
By Mark Krikorian
Center for Immigration Studies, August 26, 2009
http://cis.org/Krikorian/CRS-HealthCare-IllegalImmigration


Does the Health Care Bill Bar Illegal Aliens from Taxpayer Funds? Not Really
By Jon Feere
Center for Immigration Studies, August 21, 2009
http://cis.org/feere/healthcare

Health Reform Legislation and Immigration
By James R. Edwards Jr.
Center for Immigration Studies, August 2009
http://cis.org/IllegalHealthcareReform

See also:

Health Reform Legislation and Immigration
http://cis.org/Announcements/HealthCare-Immigration-Publications

Aug 26, 2009

Liberals don't believe in borders, thus there is no such thing as an illegal immigrant.

Aug 26, 2009

Here's a new slant on this. Obama care is not about helping illegal aliens, which it will, it's about screwing American citizens, which it will also do, since Americans have to pay for everything involving illegal aliens, ILLEGAL stay in this nation.

Aug 26, 2009

Hey Henry - it's 'demagogue,' ya moron.
Your facts are as faulty as your spelling. And failing he is - big time!

Aug 26, 2009

So what did you want to do with "illegal aliens" who are sick, let them die in the alleys? Too bad, when it comes to our southern neighbors in Mexico, the U.S. still stubbornly clings to the 1848 de facto apartheid imposed on them when the white supremacists ran the country, and now that the chickens are coming home to roost, myopia sets in. The answer is for Pres. Obama to call on Congress to officially end the apartheid by inviting the Mexican people to dissolve their failed govt. and join the U.S. as the "51st state" (10 states), then go from there. Google "Megamerge Dissolution Solution" to read my well thought-out proposal showing how it can be done.

Aug 26, 2009

TL Winslow, you are crazier than a faulty firecracker. Those ancestors of our knew that invading Mexico, would be the end of the United States of America. They saw the corrution that existed for hundreds of years, and they knew it would ruin the U.S. Advocating merging with a nation like Mexico, is as myopic as one can get. Maybe you want to be ruled by Mexican drug lords who control the Mexican government, but I doubt most Americans do.

Aug 26, 2009

Ruth, whether illegal aliens get care or not,is not the issue. They get care alright, as shown by hundreds of bankrupt hospitals and emergency rooms in California to give you one example. THEY GET BETTER CARE THAN POOR AND MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS--CLUELESS RUTH.
But back to my point on what the issue is. The issue is to deport illegal aliens through attritiion. Not worry about what happens when they stay here illegally. Why quote only those parts of the Bible that support your views. How about when the master entered into the House of the Lord and "making a whip of cords", drove out the lawbreakers. Isn't that part of the Bible?

Aug 26, 2009

Ruth, if people like you think Americans should pay for medical care for illegal alien lawbreakers, then pay for it with your own money and not with our tax money.

Aug 26, 2009

To READ THE LANGUAGE. The section you quote applies only to "affordability credits," not to the provision of medical services more generally. And even if it did have a general application to all medical services, there's nothing in H.R. 3200 that mandates enforcement. The "Fear Mongers" in this debate are those in the White House, Congress and Mainstram Media who keep insisting that the obvious is not reality.

Aug 26, 2009

Mark Tapscott's point is well made (probably because I have made the same point to the guy). If there is no plan to enforce the language in the bill, the language is meaningless. We know that an amendment to add enforcement language was voted down in committee on a straight party line vote. I claim the language on illegals is in there only to provide cover, not to actually affect anything.

Rick

Aug 26, 2009

@Ruth - WRONG !
Section 152, Page 50. Guarantees delivery of services regardless of any "characteristics". Like maybe, illegal status?

But then, I think you're an autotroll, so this post is just for the real people who may be reading this blog.

Aug 26, 2009

Are most of you folks deluded or what? Illegal aliens,(not immigrants, immigrants come here by permission) already get all the free health care they need. Proof? Hundreds of hospitals and emergency rooms bankrupt and out of business. STATE OF CALIFORNIA--BANKRUPT. The argument here should be why are illegal aliens getting health care and many Americans aren't?

Aug 26, 2009

Winslow said:
"So what did you want to do with "illegal aliens" who are sick, let them die in the alleys?"

If our federal government would do its job and keep these illegal aliens from entering our country in the first place, this would be a non-issue.

Aug 27, 2009

Better enforcement at the Northern & Southwestern borders lessens the potential for human waves to overwhelm municipal ,state or fed. services. Plus, petition the French to come get their G.D.statue out of Staten Island

Aug 27, 2009

If there were no government-provided health care to ANYONE, there would be no problem of illegal immigrants freeloading. Abolish the Department of Health, Medicare, Medicaid, Veterans hospitals, public hospitals, public libraries, farm subsidies, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Sallie Mae, etc. Let everyone pay out of his/her own pocket.

Aug 27, 2009

Our Government, past & present, Republican & Democrat, have allowed the invasion of 20 to 40 million criminals and uneducated peons which is the largest invasion of any Nation, at any time, by any means & in direct violation of Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution.

This refusal to abide by our Constitution or enforce our Immigration Laws should be classified as Treason of the most foul kind, & as grounds for impeachment & trials for Treason!
Not only have they allowed the invasion, they force American tax payers to pay Billions on Billions of dollars to provide Welfare, Prison cells, Educate the invaders numerous children, and free medical care , at the same time the invading horde break numerous laws and massive document fraud, & are destroying ourschools, hospitals, communities, culture and standard of living while Robbing, Raping, Killing & Assaulting American Citizens! WAKE UP!

Aug 27, 2009

Obama says he wants "an honest debate"
"not one dominated by willful misrepsentation and destortions" well that is really funny coming from him. I would like to know if he has even read the bill. If he has, maybe he is comfused like everyone else that have read it. They still don't have a clue as to what it says. Over a 1000 pages is a lot to absorb. Why so big, what is that all about?

Aug 27, 2009

When the Civil Rights Act was passed, its proponents claimed that nothing in it would even ALLOW special preferences based on race, gender, religion, national origin...and look how accurate that "guarantee" turned out to be.
It tells you all you need to know about liberal intentions on health care that...whenever words are introduced requiring some type of ID or other proof of citizenship...they all vote AGAINST it.

Aug 27, 2009

Check out countries that have free health care where immigrants keep pouring in, it is impossible for them to sustain care for their own citizens.
The citizens have to wait months to get
in to see a doctor.

Aug 27, 2009

The fact is all will be covered by PROXY. Unless there is so terminolgy addressing the health of illegals, the taxpayer will pay. If you are not eligible for the insurance plan (gov or private) you will get free care. You go to the emregency room like you do now and have the taxpayers pay your bill for you. That is of course unless the US government has the courage to bill and force payment from the country of origin. I don't think it will.

Aug 27, 2009

I'm glad that Mark Tapscott responded to the errors of "Read the Language". He should also have pointed out the provisions of Sec 152 of the proposed act, "Prohibiting discrimination in Health Care", which states "...all health care and related services (including health insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services."

If "personal characteristics" does not mean "citizenship", I'd like to know what it means.

Aug 27, 2009

Instead of everyone speculating go to or find a foreign exchange student from Norway. I was appalled as I listened to a 17 yr. old boy telling me what was happening in his country. Or you could read the book "Wake Up America". I had been reading it prior to meeting him. Without knowing, he confirmed everything that was written in that book. Nationalities may be different but the outcome will be the same. He also talked about his government - a possibility ours will be the same in the future?

Aside from this debating what are you all doing to stop this from happening?

Aug 27, 2009

Please accept my apology; the name of the book is:
"While Europe Slept".

Aug 27, 2009

I concur with the commenters who are aghast that there is no specific language that forbids the treatment of illegal aliens in this proposed health care bill (what Congress or the courts extend these benefits after the bill passes). Once again, Congress's open borders allies will force American taxpayers to subsidize yet more "freebies" for those who have violated our immigration laws. Do those of you who criticize us for being against such funding believe that the American taxpayer can fund the health care needs for the rest of the world's poor, given that there is high unemployment and a national debt that is exploding and will increase substantially just extending health care to citizens and legal immigrants under this bill.

Aug 27, 2009

Maybe the government can handle health care the same way they handled passing out checks to rapist and murders in prison, money from the stimulus package,
of course. No one in the government
seems to know how that happened, accord-iing to them, it was all done by
computer. Who was over seeing what was happening? Like everything else, no one. What joke!!!

Aug 27, 2009

The bill states that no government PAYMENTS will be made to illegals, it doesn't prevent illegals from participating with their own money.

Aug 27, 2009

"HR 3200, SUBTITLE C, SECTION 246
'Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.'
AGAIN, READ IT FOR YOURSELF AND STOP LISTENING TO FEAR MONGERS."

Non sequitur. Yes, the bill states that it won't pay on behalf of those here illegally, but it also says that it's not going to check if one's here illegally. So I can say, "I'm deporting all illegals, but I'm not checking to see if anyone's illegal." Right. It's intentional ambiguity with the purpose of covering the truth of the matter.

Aug 27, 2009

Come on Chris, wake up man!! You know no matter what that illegal alliens will get free health care under this bill, guarranteed!! Most of them already do. I have read all 1028 pages of this bill and it is too loosely worded to actually exclude illegals from getting free health care.

Aug 27, 2009

If anyone out there thinks that illegal aliens won't get free health care from this bill then I want to remind them of the Amnesty Bill that is quietly making its way through congress right now. This bill will effectively make them american citizens who won't have to pay taxes. Liberal democrats are going to keep the hispanic vote, no matter what. Anyone ever listen to spanish radio??

Aug 27, 2009

Hey, folks. Yes, illegals can buy health insurance through the Exchange. They can also buy health insurance through today's private market. There is *NO CHANGE* in ObamaCare. HR3200 prohibits spending TAXPAYER MONEY to subsidize health care for illegals, it doesn't stop illegals from buying whatever they want to buy.

Aug 27, 2009

Please let me know where you got this information from. I just read the CRS report on HR3200 and it doesn't say anything about illegal immigrants being covered. Here's the link if you're interested: http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/R40724_20090727.pdf

Aug 28, 2009

BREAKING NEWS : President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, John Kerry, Barney Frank and Howard Dean are all aboard a ship in the Pacific that is reportedly taking on water.....The U.S. Coast Guard has sent a chopper to the scene and dropped Al Gore aboard....now on to sports and weather.

Aug 28, 2009

To Henry, Aug 26 comment. You are correct, but the funding for this comes out of your local taxes (Property/Sales etc.) Most of the community Governments in Northern Virginia exersize sanctuary provisions that use your local tax dollars to fund the Illegals. Shame on the local community governments.

Aug 28, 2009

Yes, there is that passage about "illegals not being eligible". There's also a passage that says anyone born in the US will be covered. It doesn't say the parents have to be citizens. There's also a passage that says if one person living in a household is covered, all are covered. It doesn't say those residing in the household have to be citizens. . . .

Aug 28, 2009

So let me get this straight...for some Congressmen they are requiring proof of ID to participate in their townhalls yet, no proof of US Citizenship is required to receive ObamaCare benefits. I'm shocked I tell ya!

Aug 28, 2009

If I'm following the logic of this "story" correctly, then Cash-for-Clunkers was an insidious plot to subsidize automobile sales to illegal immigrants, too?

There's just no pleasing the wing-nuts. A provision requiring proof-of-citizenship to buy *private insurance* on a *national exchange* would have probably had the "mark-of-the-beast" set crying foul.

You people really need to grow up; if you can't, stay on the periphery and let the adults make policy.

Aug 28, 2009

An utterly bald faced pack of lies. Read HR3200 for yourself, I have.

Pages 132, 143 and 817 all prohibit illegal aliens from receiving benefits.

Page 686 sets additional penalties for fraud of any kind.

Want more than that? Okay, propose your language, write it up and get it to your legislator. That's the way the system works, you have to participate.

Just like me.

Aug 28, 2009

Isn't Obama's stance on illegal immigrants to give them amnesty anyway? If that happens, any way you slice it, illegal immigrants will be covered and thus with them the cost of doing so, despite anything the bill says on the matter.

Aug 28, 2009

No one's opinion about H R 3200 counts except for the courts. If it goes through it will all be settled in the courts and the illegals are in for a boanaza. I believe the ambiguity of the language guaarentees it.

Aug 28, 2009

If you or I did something illegal, we would be breaking the law.

Aug 28, 2009

In Addition to this issue Obama wants Amnesty by the end of the year. In which case they will not be illegals and would qualify for Obamacare.

Aug 29, 2009

If obama gets health care through
he will push for amnesty soon after anyway, so regardless of any wording
in this bill those who are currently illegal Obama will legalize so his rhetoric now deceitful.

Aug 29, 2009

You can't beleive what you hear or read anymore. The old days are gone!!!

Aug 29, 2009

Yes, true Americans want this total FRAUD chairman Obama to fail, as his policies will destroy our republic. Obama fails, America WINS. And fail he will, as we will not allow this fraud, and the psychotic congress to destroy this country-count on that. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Aug 29, 2009

They say the want your bank acc. so they tell how much you have pay.Dud that not what they want it for. His czar van jones is ax-con,communist.John Hodron He wrote some books few years back.he sound like hitler.

Aug 30, 2009

ok - so he just grants immunity to the illegals - now they get coverage!! We have had only 7 months of this dangerous idiot and I am so sick of him already!! Isn't there a way to get him out of office before he does more damage to our nation?? Can't we DO something before he trashes the constitution???

Aug 30, 2009

To TheCynic - personal characteristics = skin color, age (too old), weight (too fat)- you know---stuff like that.

Aug 30, 2009

I don't mind illegals purchasing insurance coverage. I'm against the federal government subsidizing it. If the existing EMTALA law remains in place (no plans to rescind it included in any bill), they'll still be eligible for free care at the emergency room anyway.

Sep 3, 2009

After reading some of these comments I realize that there are some that do not know what they are talking about. HR 3200 if passed, will allow ILLEGAL ALIENS to receive free medical care. Period!

We the LEGAL CITIZENS need to make sure that this does not happen! Call your Congressman or woman and let them know that if it is NOT spelled out in clear plain ENGLISH that NO ILLEGAL ALIENS are to receive free medical care, that we are NOT going to accept this bill and will fight it to the end!

Sep 3, 2009

Tripdady suggested, regarding Emergency Room Costs for Illegal aliens, that the US Government have the courage to bill and enforce payment from the country of origin. I say THAT is is health care reform worthy of action.

Sep 3, 2009

Liar, liar, pants on fire go sit on a telephone wire!

Sep 3, 2009

The references I find in the Bible about helping the poor refer to the "orphan and the widow" within the community who could not, in those days, help themselves. You people who are so intent on open borders (Tell me again, how many of the 6.2 BILLION in the world do you want us to support in this country ?)need to write Sr.El Presidente de Mexico and tell him to use some of that oil money, Am. aid, drug money, etc. to provide schools, jobs, and health care for his people. I refuse to take on his responsibility. You open-border types feel so righteous about helping others, but I'd be willing to bet you have some problems in your personal relationships, which you can't handle - so, you "relate" to those far afield; it's so much easier.

Sep 3, 2009

Obama Plan A: Get the amnesty bill passed and provide in the (lack of) health care reform bill that those in the process of becoming citizens will be covered by the provisions of the bill. Voila! Illegals all taken care of, and the Am. taxpayer is screwed again.

Sep 3, 2009

Mmm, someone missed this very important section of HR 3200...

SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.

"Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are
not lawfully present in the United States."

In other words, if you are an illegal alien - ZERO BENEFITS.

Sep 3, 2009

Head 'em up, move 'em out.

Sep 3, 2009

The bill even implaments the inplanet chip as well as a registry (Mark of the Beast) google search section 2521 or page 1001. I does also allow the government to ration care, cover imagrants and allows the government into you bank accounts. I don't understand why anyone would want this system. If they want to cover the unisured then why don't theyexpand medicare and medicaid instead of denying people. That would fix the problem. However they can't even handle that. This bill is just to give the goverment more control. It even covers loans.

Sep 3, 2009

Ruth,

Try this;

SEC. 163. ADMINISTRATIVE SIMPLIFICATION

SEC. 1173A. STANDARDIZE ELECTRONIC ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSACTIONS.

(a) STANDARDS FOR FINANCIAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSACTIONS.—

(2) GOALS FOR FINANCIAL AND
ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSACTIONS.—

(D) enable the real-time (or near real
time) determination of an individual’s financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service...

Sep 4, 2009

READ THE BILL. p 761: "No hospital may deemed defined ... as an essential access hospital ... unless the hospital provides services ... without discrimintion on the ground of race, color, NATIONAL ORIGIN, etc."

Sep 4, 2009

TO the fellow who quoted the page claiming illegals are not covered, he should check out page 50, section 152 which states that the only criteria for coverage is need. Section 246 which the libs like to quote, says only that that subtitle does not allow for illegals to receive funds, but neither does it say that it restricts funds for illegals. Section 152 is where the funding is allowed. Nice tricks they try to play.

Sep 5, 2009

"Those ancestors of ours knew that invading Mexico, would be the end of the United States of America. They saw the corrution that existed for hundreds of years, and they knew it would ruin the U.S. Advocating merging with a nation like Mexico, is as myopic as one can get. Maybe you want to be ruled by Mexican drug lords who control the Mexican government, but I doubt most Americans do."

All I ask is that you read my 20K word Megamerge Dissolution Solution article before commenting. There is nothing crazy about it. 160 years of de facto apartheid are coming home to roost, and the U.S. cannot afford to ignore the problem anymore. We have to learn to accept each other's existence and share the New World in peace sans racism, the alternative being too horrible to contemplate. Click http://go.to/megamerge and take the time to read my proposal.

Sep 9, 2009

Provide proof. Where are your sources?
Give me a link from a government website. You know the sites that end in .gov. Let me read for myself. Provide proof.

Sep 10, 2009

You are all missing the real point. The whole thing is unconstitutional. Nowhere in the Constitution is the Federal government given power or authority to legislate, regulate, or manage the health care of the populace.

Sep 10, 2009

The section mentioned in the reports put forth by the anti-immigration organizations (242 and subsequent provisions) talks about "affordability credits" which is basically when an individual enrolls in the "PRIVATE INSURANCE PLANS" (or other forms through an "Exchange" program which incidentally does not include the "illegal" aliens) but cannot maintain certain costs in such plans. Therefore, the "affordability credits" allow them to make up that difference.

Let me put it in simple forms: You either have to have a private provider or acquire one through the Exchange program in both cases, as an illegal immigrant, you are NOT eligible for such programs. If that wasn't enough, the "credit" spoken in this provision will also not going to be given to you. This provision is merely a fish in the belly of a bigger whale. Quit it with fictitious distortion.

Sep 10, 2009

P.S. If a person is here "illegally" but has cheated the system by acquiring SSN or other means to get a job and through such endeavor registers for the program, then this individual is obviously breaking the law. Regardless, the bill does not assert that it is going to cover such person who has cheated the system and if caught, the appropriate punishment would be at will. People assume the legislation must provide the means to be the judge and the executioner at the same time. No. The "implementation" of law is on the shoulder of the executive branch so if the bill promulgates about the preventive measures for certain task, then it's the obligation of the executive office to find the best possible means to realize such contract.

Sep 10, 2009

Section 246 refers to eligibility for Chip credits and has nothing to do with your eligibility for participation in an insurance exchange. If you are an illegal you can still participate but there is no income credit. Also there is no provision stating the need to provide proof of citizenship. It's like saying there are no gays in the military because of "Don't ask don't tell."

Sep 10, 2009

Think about this for a minute. The Dems are trying to keep costs down to pass this and anyone actually thinks illegal aliens are included?

This line is on page 143 of H.R. 3200:
"Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

The "exchange" would involve private health firms and a non-subsidized public health option. If people needed a subsidy for any of them, page 143 applies! NO ILLEGAL ALIENS!

Sep 10, 2009

Read the memorandum entitled "Illegal Immigrants and HR 3200: Estimate of Potential Costs to Taxpayers". The author feels the language can not, in its current form, prohibit inclusion of illegals in the program. Attempts by Republicans to introduce a systematic means of verifying citizenship were defeated in committee. An excellent source of informaition on this subject. The memorandum can be found at:

http://www.cis.org/IllegalsAndHealthCareHR3200

Happy reading......

Sep 10, 2009

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/

This opinion article is flat out false.

Sep 10, 2009

booswacks - Besides beign a website put up by the Obama propaganda machine, your reference material does not dispute the Center for Immigration Studies' position that HR 3200 lacks adequate measures to check citizenship (i.e. SAVE). No one is disputing the fact the current bill does contain language excluding illegals from coverage. However, the issue is that the bill does nothing to verify citizenship, hence the probability exists that illegals will obtain additional benefits, other than critical care which is already provided under the current system.

Sep 10, 2009

Did you read the bill?
H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Sep 10, 2009

As I read the bill, anyone -- including illegal immigrants -- can purchase a health insurance policy through the health care exchange HR3200 sets up at the full, unsubsidized price. But they don't get any money from the government to do so. So Tapscott's paraphrase that the CRS "covers illegal immigrants" is flat-out wrong. It does allow illegal immigrants to pay for their own insurance policy at full price.

I'm not sure what the objection is to that. Are some of you arguing that illegal immigrants should not even be allowed to purchase health insurance at full price? Even if doing so would keep them out of the emergency rooms, on their own dime, and keep costs down?

Sep 10, 2009

Great Article... and he is going live, over most of the Government public schools, talking to the children...
Not my children, this man will NEVER talk to my children alaskalive dot net

Sep 10, 2009

With all due respect,
Obama is an abomination to morality and the American People.
An outright obamanation/abomination.

Wake up Americans, before it is too late.
American citizens need to gain back control of our government before it is too late.
Patriots arise!

Sep 10, 2009

There are some old lawyers around that actually believe if a public option is included, it would be unconstitutional to deny access to all residents, legal or otherwise - just a silly thought.

Sep 10, 2009

Instead of hearing and reading the lies of so-called research councils paid for by one side or the other, go straight to the source and read the section in the bill about this. Illeagal immigrants are never mentioned nor is care for them. However, even today, someone comes into the emergency room and how many MDs and RNs do you know that ask for a passport before treatment... What's next? Asking for an insurance card first? Asking for a blank check first? Ever heard of Doctors without Borders? Ever read the hippocratic oath? Or do you guys not read....

Sep 10, 2009

These are gov't employees we're talkin bout here - if they aren't forced to check the citizenship of applicants, and given a list of acceptable documents - they won't. But seriously, why is everybody gettin so pissed now? Illegals already get free healthcare in our ER's, and we pay 4 it in the form of higher insurance premiums. Are you voting for politicians who oppose border security and interior enforcement? Do you even know?

Sep 11, 2009

I am so tired of the fear mongering. It's really pathetic. The rest of the developed world laughs at us and our selfishness.

Sep 11, 2009

While questionable as to time, place and appropriateness, Joe Wilson's words were the most honest words spoken during the entire health-care speech.
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Obama is a liar. I’ll believe his new promises AFTER he keeps some old promises.
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Watch this video. You’ll see obama lie like a dog in his very own words.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3JKDTBOYKg
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Sep 11, 2009

Jessie, the world is laughing at us I agree.And they are laughing at the buffoon who had the Presidency handed to him by braindead, guilt ridden white people.

Sep 12, 2009

The "Gang of Six" will discuss the issues till doomsday, The outcome will be dictated by the Speaker.

Mr Obama's performance 9/9/9 was clouded by lots of smoke and mirrors such as a carny will use on the rubes.
(Was the smoke created by his pants being on fire?)

Daniel Patrick Moynihan was quoted as having said: "I can't believe what I just heard, and I don't". Mr. Obama was silent or telling half-truths on a number of things.

Robert Louis Stevenson wrote: "The cruelest lies are often told in silence."

Sep 12, 2009

Do I understand the GOP proposes that every American carry their birth certificate with them at all times to be able to "verify" that they are United States citizens in the event of an emergency for which they need medical care? Are you serious? Or is this just another Republican stumbling block being thrown out there to make reform impractical if not impossible?

Sep 13, 2009

Sounds like a cloaked dagger.

Sep 13, 2009

We are a nation brimming with illegals. Are borders have been too open for too long. If people arrived the legal way at least they could contribute to the system that they reap so much benefit from.

Sep 14, 2009

Lots of insightful ignorance and racism in the comments. You people should be so proud. Mark, you're either an idiot or a liar. It took about 10 seconds on Google to debunk your editorial. But since "examiners" get paid by page views, I guess lying is what you get paid for, kind of like the GOP and health insurance lobbyists.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200908270020

Sep 15, 2009

The CRS says the bill didn't contain language "....requiring those seeking coverage or services to provided proof of citizenship." This is a different issue than waht Obama was talking about and does not deserve the "liar" rhetoric from the right. THe bill does in FACT say, "SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." So what is the method to prove citizenship? What will someone who is having a seizure, for example be able to do to prove citizenship? Would Republicans have every citizen get a tattoo with a government number? Now who is talking about big government?

Sep 17, 2009

Once again..someone is failing to address what's really the issue. From the OPENCRS PDF link.

"“Nonresident alien” is a term under tax but not immigration law. For federal tax purposes, alien individuals are
classified as resident or nonresident aliens. In general, an individual is a nonresident alien unless he or she meets the qualifications under a residency test. Thus, legal permanent residents, and noncitizens and unauthorized aliens who qualify as resident aliens (i.e., meet the substantial
presence test), would be required under H.R. 3200 to have health insurance."

This is an issue of Immigration Law Reform...NOT healthcare. Determining who/what constitutes an alien or not is up to the courts to decide...not Obama.

Sep 17, 2009

Therefore to deny the tens of millions of AMERICANS who DO ALREADY deserve and need healthcare bc of a few million illegal aliens who MIGHT 'technically' qualify for it is ridiculous and stupid.

Any illegal alien who is bold enough to pop his/her head up and demand healthcare and get deported probably is still in his/her own country bc they weren't bright enough to evade Bush's Homeland Security wall.

Sep 18, 2009

gogog

Sep 18, 2009

Revolution is Coming to America!!

It could be either side that starts it, but the country is becoming more divided, not less. Politicians (both parties) receive corporate campaign donations. Well, corporations have board of directors who are foreigners so we actually have foreigners, via campaign contributions, deciding America’s political campaigns & future. Both sides are guilty.

I also read the underground book & it was great!! Read it & see how a small town (maybe your town) stands up to decade career politicians & Federal tyranny & start the 2nd American Revolution. I bought 2 for my friends.

It changed my outlook on what is really happening in America.

This is the only time in your life that you can ‘make your history & leave a legacy for your grandchildren’.

(booksbyoliver.com)

Sep 22, 2009

HR3200 explicitly forbids subsidies to illegal aliens. Now, will illegal aliens still manage to find a way in ? yes ! because they always do. They're getting free healthcare right now in E.R.'s accross the nation. They're getting free education too. They're doing stuff that's illegal for them to do like sneak into the country. This outcry is a red herring. Illegals are getting free health care today, but you worry that they're going to find a way to buy cheap insurance in the insurance market place set up by the Obama plan ? Let me ask you this: Can illegal aliens buy health insurance today ? YES ! enough said. You should be happy that at least they would have to buy public option insurance instead of getting free care as they do today.

Oct 28, 2009

The references I find in the Bible about helping the poor refer to the "orphan and the widow" within the community who could not, in those days, help themselves. You people who are so intent on open borders (Tell me again, how many of the 6.2 BILLION in the world do you want us to support in this country ?)need to write Sr.El Presidente de Mexico and tell him to use some of that oil money, Am. aid, drug money, etc. to provide schools, jobs, and health care for his people. I refuse to take on his responsibility. You open-border types feel so righteous about helping others, but I'd be willing to bet you have some problems in your personal relationships, which you can't handle - so, you "relate" to those far afield; it's so much easier.
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Oct 28, 2009

The references I find in the Bible about helping the poor refer to the "orphan and the widow" within the community who could not, in those days, help themselves. You people who are so intent on open borders (Tell me again, how many of the 6.2 BILLION in the world do you want us to support in this country ?)need to write Sr.El Presidente de Mexico and tell him to use some of that oil money, Am. aid, drug money, etc. to provide schools, jobs, and health care for his people. I refuse to take on his responsibility. You open-border types feel so righteous about helping others, but I'd be willing to bet you have some problems in your personal relationships, which you can't handle - so, you "relate" to those far afield; it's so much easier.
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Oct 31, 2009

Look you all, what in the world is it about ILLEGAL do you not understand, or that you support.? At $49,000/per offender a year Calif. alone pays for more than 19,000 men and women with INS Holds. I will not support CRIME period. I do not support folks being here illegally, especially when they are the least educated; sick; and scoflaws from there home country. Get real all you fools who blow off this horrible social calamity.

Nov 14, 2009

illegal aliens are turning our country into their own country. We are turning into mexico and south america. The stinch from litter left by illegal aliens. The murders we see every evening on the news. The grafiti sprayed on thousand year old petriglyphs that are forever damaged.The crime and on and on and on by these illegal cowards who wont stand up to their own pathetic dictators. Our politicians and employers love these slaves who take away our jobs. WAR is inevitable.

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