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Obama's science czar suggested compulsory abortion, sterilization

By: David Freddoso
Online Opinion Editor
07/14/09 4:55 PM EDT

Internet reports are now circulating that Obama's Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy, John Holdren, penned a 1977 book that approved of and recommended compulsory sterilization and even abortion in some cases, as part of a government population control regime.

Given the general unreliability of Internet quotations, I wanted to go straight to this now-rare text and make sure the reports were both accurate and kept Holdren's writings in context. Generally speaking, they are, and they do.

The Holdren book, titled Ecoscience and co-authored with Malthus enthusiasts Paul and Anne Ehrlich, weighs in at more than 1,000 pages. Of greatest importance to its discussion of how to limit the human population is its disregard for any ethical considerations.

Holdren (with the Ehrlichs) notes the existence of “moral objections to some proposals...especially to any kind of compulsion.” But his approach is completely amoral. He implies that compulsory population control is less preferable, because of some people's objections, but he argues repeatedly that it is sometimes necessary, and necessity trumps all ethical objections.

He writes:

Several coercive proposals deserve discussion, mainly because some countries may ultimately have to resort to them unless current trends in birth rates are rapidly reversed by other means. Some involuntary measures could be less repressive or discriminatory, in fact, than some of the socioeconomic measures suggested. 

Holdren refers approvingly, for example, to Indira Gandhi's government for its then-recent attempt at a compulsory sterilization program:

India in the mid-1970s not only entertained the idea of compulsory sterilization, but moved toward implementing it...This decision was greeted with dismay abroad, but Indira Gandhi's government felt it had little other choice. There is too little time left to experiment further with educational programs and hope that social change will generate a spontaneous fertility decline, and most of the Indian population is too poor for direct economic pressures (especially penalties) to be effective.

When necessary, then, compulsory sterilization is justified. This attitude suffuses the following passage, in which the possibility of putting a “sterilant” into a population's drinking water is seriously discussed. Holdren and his co-authors do not recommend this particular method, but their objections to it are merely practical and health-related, not moral or stemming from any concern for human freedom:

Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the oposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock...Again, there is no sign of such an agent on the horizon. And the risk of serious, unforeseen side effects would, in our opinion, militate against the use of any such agent, even though this plan has the advantage of avoiding the need for socioeconomic pressures that might tend to discriminate against particular groups or penalize children.

Even though they do not recommend it, note that Holdren and his co-authors treat this as a serious policy proposal with serious drawbacks -- not as an insane idea unworthy of consideration.

They look with more favor on this “milder” form of coercive sterilization:

Of course, a government might require only implantation of the contraceptive capsule, leaving its removal to the individual's discretion but requiring reimplantation after childbirth. Since having a child would require positive action (removal of the capsule), many more births would be prevented than in the reverse situation.

Holdren and his co-authors also tackle the problem of illegitimacy, recognizing that it could be one consequence of a society which, in its effort to limit births, downgrades the value of intact nuclear families and encourages lifelong bachelorhood:

[R]esponsible parenthood ought to be encouraged and illegitimate childbearing could be strongly discouraged. One way to carry out this disapproval might be to insist that all illegitimate babies be put up for adoption -- especially those born to minors, who generally are not capable of caring properly for a child alone...It would even be possible to require pregnant single women to marry or have abortions, perhaps as an alternative to placement for adoption, depending on the society.

Holdren's suggestion here is presented perfectly in context. It stands alone in the text without any accompanying reservations.

President Obama has spoken repeatedly in favor of putting science before ideology. The real debate, however, has never been about whether ethics are needed in science, but rather over whose ethics should determine where science will or will not go.

Nowhere has Obama suggested that science should be completely ethics-free. But Holdren is his Science Czar all the same.




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MD

Jul 14, 2009

This documents the elitism prevalent within the enviromental movement...I don't care whether your a Democrat or a Rebuplican; our battle is with Statism/Elitism...

 

Tim Seattle,Wa

Jul 14, 2009

I agree, This has nothing to do with Right/Left, this is the problem with Government in general, their thinking will always lead its self to looking at its people from a "ways and means" to a dealing with the collective as a whole.

We must educate each other on principles of Liberty.

Please read The 5000 Year Leap.

 

rumblethunder

Jul 14, 2009

I am Sarah Palin. I am Joe The Plumber. I am Flyover Country. Do Not Tread On Me.

 

markus7

Jul 15, 2009

This piece misrepresents Holdren’s views and makes illogical assertions about ethics.
Holdren presented distasteful and disruptive options such as encouraged sterilization and abortions only when the alternatives (starvation, war, ecosystem collapse, species extinction) were even worse. Ethics is not a suicide pact. These last resort kinds of actions would be preceded by freedom enhancing and empowering alternatives for eliminating overpopulation like no cost birth control, education, and economic development.
Asserting that freedom and no abortions are enviable ethical standards is nonsense. Properly understood, ethics is based on actions that produce the best outcomes. Understanding ethics as a set of simple minded heuristics for choosing moral behaviors is a primitive, dangerously naïve kind of ethics.

 

markus7

Jul 15, 2009

This piece misrepresents Holdren’s views and makes illogical assertions about ethics.

Holdren presented distasteful and disruptive options such as encouraged sterilization and abortions only when the alternatives (starvation, war, ecosystem collapse, species extinction) were even worse. Ethics is not a suicide pact. These last resort kinds of actions would be preceded by freedom enhancing and empowering alternatives for eliminating overpopulation like no cost birth control, education, and economic development.

Asserting that freedom and no abortions are enviable ethical standards is nonsense. Properly understood, ethics is based on actions that produce the best outcomes. Understanding ethics as a set of simple minded heuristics for choosing moral behaviors is a primitive, dangerously naïve kind of ethics.

 

Sectionhand

Jul 15, 2009

Why not put Josef Mengele in charge ?

 

Sycodon

Jul 15, 2009

"Properly understood, ethics is based on actions that produce the best outcomes."

In other words, the ends justifies the means.

 

Hunthorse

Jul 15, 2009

Obama's early formative days in Indonesia and Keyna were spent in a culture that looks at life suffering and death differently than we do.

So abortion as he has demonstrated is all O. K., forced sterilization? Why not?

 

John Frary

Jul 15, 2009

"Properly understood, ethics is based on actions that produce the best outcomes."

Why, this is the most idiotic statement I've read all day. But it's only 10:04, stay tuned.

 

Markus7

Jul 15, 2009

Sycodon and John

"Properly understood, ethics is based on actions that produce the best outcomes." is a definition of Utilitarianism which is the leading (in terms of the proponent philosophers) ethical theory of the last 200 years. It does not remotely mean "the ends justify the means" as history has shown, as our moral sentiments tell us, and logic confirms thinking "the ends justify the means" is a sure path to disasters. Disasters are not the best outcomes so acting as if the "ends justify the means" is grossly immoral.

 

hr

Jul 15, 2009

Holdren and Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg must be peas in a pod. She said similar things just last week in the NY Times Magazine.

 

Puppy

Jul 15, 2009

Is this not done in China?

 

Sophia

Jul 15, 2009

If the population growth of our nation were really THIS serious of a threat, should we not first look towards tighter immigration controls before insitutionalizing such draconian, fascist measures against our own citizens?

 

standtall

Jul 15, 2009

I think that if Holdren believes what he writes to be true, then shouldn't the first to be sterilized be the politicians/bureaucracy? Surely they should be the first and set the example for the rest of us?

 

Rachelfriend

Jul 15, 2009

Marcus7, you've lost your mind and so has Holdren. What a person does with their own body is supposed to be up to them, thus we have "Roe v. Wade", remember? If forced sterilization is even entertained as a logical reaction to chronic overpopulation, then how do we have a right to do with our bodies what we will...including HAVE children. Utilitarianism must mean, do what you want when it suits you and you're in power. Typical Progressive/Socialist/Statist crap.

 

JanineC

Jul 15, 2009

I think Markus doesn't understand the dangers of moral relativism. If he does, then his defense of Holdren is dispicable and evil as Holdren's assertions are no better than what Hitler did in Nazi Germany.

 

JanineC

Jul 15, 2009

Our forefathers fought for the INDIVIDUAL and that includes the individual's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. There is NOTHING truly ethical in putting the collective above the individual. What our forefathers fought for is what made this country great. I am disgusted by those like Holdren and a certain poster here who seem to have preferred living under the Nazis or Stalin.

 

JanineC

Jul 15, 2009

Our forefathers fought for the INDIVIDUAL. That includes protecting the individual's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Protection of the individual is what made this country great. There is NOTHING ethical about putting the collective above the individual.

Holdren's views are straight out of Nazi Germany or Stalin's USSR.

 

FireInsideTheMan

Jul 15, 2009

Just like racist Judge Sotomayor, this is another political appointment by the Obama Administration that is clearly far off the mainstream opinions of this country.

Many countries have enacted eugenics programs and forced sterilization on selective populations, including the United States.

We must let Obama know these types of people are NOT wanted in this country by contacting our Representatives and demanding accountability for their actions. It's time for real change in Washington!

 

Nate Higgins

Jul 15, 2009

Markus7, The leading ethical theory of the last 200 years is not really that new. It is not an ethical theory, it is called, "the state of fallen man". The more we are willing (as a society) to let the government provide (welfare, retirement, healthcare), we give up our liberty. With liberty so goes dignity and drive, a striving for life. Life on the government dole is not life at all, it is slavery. That is why so many in bondage to the government are caught up in crime. So the people that create the problem, solve it with Eugenics (murder). Very Ethical and progressive.

 

standtall

Jul 15, 2009

Markus7

Ethics also properly understood is that which entails LIFE. Not just outcomes alone, but what outcomes that engender and support LIFE. The founders understood this, hence the LIFE, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness. Which all of these ideals are in fact violated by Holdren.

 

Rich

Jul 15, 2009

When will the sanity ever return! The answer is never unless we do it at the polls!! The liberals are and have effectively destroyed this once proud country. The MUSLIM just doesn`t surprise me anymore! What`s the next hire for the RADICAL one!!!!

 

LisaN

Jul 15, 2009

This is shocking, but I'm not surprized.

 

Ted Williams

Jul 15, 2009

Too bad Holdren wasn't aborted.

 

Oscar deGrouch

Jul 15, 2009

"Properly understood, ethics is based on actions that produce the best outcomes."

Define "best". If you even try, you just fell into my trap.


 

standtall

Jul 15, 2009

What's best is true...as long as that follows life. Death pursuit is never a "best" choice. Real "best" ethics will always pursue life and happiness.

 

major

Jul 15, 2009

I think this confirms that what we are calling Socialists under the Obama administration, are in fact neo-fascists.

And if allowed to go to its logical end America would be indistinguishable from Nazi Germany.

What minorities think is their benefactor (Democrats) will be in the end be their undoing.

 

John

Jul 15, 2009

Didn't Hitler do this?

 

Eileen

Jul 15, 2009

All that you have to do to reduce unwanted births, improve the standard of living of all, is to provide a meaningful education for all girls. They will educate their children and raise the standard of living of their families thereby lifting the nation into prosperity. It works. There are examples everywhere.

 

EagleJim

Jul 15, 2009

Hitler got his idea for forced sterilization from US 'progressives.' Forced sterilization ideas, in the US, origination in the late 1800s, again from the 'progressive' sectors.

 

Rich

Jul 15, 2009

Obama and Holdren, go to the inner cities and illegal immigrant poulations where illigitemacy and the dumping of children occurs daily in America. Tell those groups that this is what you want to do to or for them. See their response. And I'd love to know if the Obamas were ever faced with forced/coerced sterilization issues. I doubt it. They have two lovely girls. But then look at Obama, such as when he made reference to the Washington D.C. schools during his campaign. I guess that's why his daughters don't attend any of those schools. He's an elitist, power hungry politician; says one thing one day and flip-flops on it the next, and because of his naivete in the political world of reality, with a background in "thug" style politics and an un Godly bunch of losers like Holdren, and so many others around him, it's no wonder this country's like a run away freight train, bound to d-rail and destroy everything in its path He's the worst president we've ever had.

 

Sheila Walker

Jul 15, 2009

All you have to do is, limit
immigration; teach children
that promiscuity is wrong and
that sex is meaningless without
the love and commitment of married
life - and problems
of unwed motherhood will go away .
Remember when we taught the Bible
in homes and schools? We didn't
have these high rates of out or
wedlock births. They were virtually
unknown in my town, as were the rapes,
school violence, drug use etc. etc.

 

Filby

Jul 15, 2009

To Markus, the "best outcomes" frequently depend the perspectives of those calculating the total utility. Unless you can change human character into something that its not, utilitarianism has no utility. The power required to coercively implement the "best outcome" would be easily corrupted as we've seen throughout human history. Utilitarianism is hogwash.

 

L in Seattle

Jul 15, 2009

Too bad Obama wasn't aborted. But then we would have to have a long list: Kissinger, Soros, Bush, Cheney, the Clintons - both of them - Zbigniew Brzezinski, David Rockefeller and on and on. However, a post-natal abortion may be in order. I am not kidding, something is going to have to be done here and the polls don't seem to work anymore, as we have convinced everyone that democracy/mob rule is great and an entitlement in itself.

 

Bear

Jul 15, 2009

Sorry, I missed the part where he is advocating any of this rather than discussing hypotheticals. What plan was he in favor of?

 

devinewind137

Jul 15, 2009

God has a marvelous way of aborting the wicked (cutting them off out of the land of the living) before the people. Let it be done!

 

Hayekian

Jul 15, 2009

To Markus:

The inherent defect of the Greatest Happiness Principle (i.e. utilitarianism) is that nobody ever knows what is going to happen next. One might as well turn to reading tea leaves to formulate public policy. A better path may be to rely on what Kant described as a "categorical imperative," which, to my thinking, is just a post-Enlightenment version of the golden rule.

 

Drew

Jul 15, 2009

This commentary is basically idiotic. It characterizes the arguments as amoral without even bothering to acknowledge the moral context in which they are being discussed: i.e. a demographic catastrophe.

It's one thing to argue against the view being argued for. I myself would argue that population is in practice a boon not a problem.

But to attack the arguments as if they were simply out of the blue commitments to sterilization in any circumstance is flat out dishonest.

 

N0mad

Jul 16, 2009

Silly Bear. Not just that he discussed hypotheticals - he wrote a book, did research, bathed himself in the idea of population control. He charted a path where the discussion is academic, where it becomes more scientific than social. He reached conclusions. And now he can influence the President of the U.S. in policy making. I guess ignorance is bliss ... time to not be so blissful eh?

 

Jimble

Jul 16, 2009

This book was written over 30 years ago. Is there any evidence that he has maintained these ideas since then?

 

veritaseequitas

Jul 16, 2009

Are these people dead yet? Hopefully?? Burning in hell maybe? How arrogant they are in their assumption that they or the government can be the controllers of life. God gives and God takes away. He has EVERYTHING under control including the population.

 

ronbow502000

Jul 16, 2009

Someday, perhaps sooner than we think, the views that so "horrify" in these documents will not seem so radical. I cannot believe we are actually appointing a science czar who actually knows something. With close to 8 billion people we will continue to cut the rain forests and move into more areas that cannot support human society. Carbon will not be washed from the atmosphere and the death toll from drought and disease will be astronomical. IF we do not listen to what the Erdichs' have been saying, and also pay attention to Malthus we will have a disaster that will make abortion and other methods of population control look like a picnic in the park.

 

now_we_know

Jul 16, 2009

Assume that this was published in 1977,
and the idea was rebuked. Then the people in power decided to let aids loose in the wild as an alternative to control the population.

 

Dan Patrick

Jul 16, 2009

@markus7 Sorry I don't ascribe to utilitarian or subjective ethics. I don't believe that the Earth is anywhere near the kind of over-population disaster that could potentially warrant this kind of policy. But even if it was forcing someone to do something of this nature is unethical. Period. You own yourself. Nobody else can make a claim to your life, liberty, or property no matter what their bureaucratic title. Even if they wear a fancy hat or badge.

Neo-malthusian ideas are intellectually bankrupt. It's junk science. The whole population of Earth can live in Texas with 1800sq ft of living space. http://www.economicthinking.org/economics/texasworld.html

It is true that some PARTS of the world may suffer from "overcrowding" but these are not problems that can be solved through public policy. In these cases people must be as free as possible to move and make decisions about where they live.

 

Zimmer

Jul 16, 2009

I just love how all these constant overpopulation bits creep up. This planet is no where near its threshold. When the world single largest food producer (US) pays its farmers NOT TO grow food, when so many of the largest countries US, Canda, Russia, and China have thousands upon thousands of square miles with virtually zero habitation, when we have oil, gas, coal, and mineral reserves that we refuse to exploit because of concerns about the wildlife, its insane to believe this planet is anywhere near its population threshold.

 

Johnny G.

Jul 16, 2009

Who is John Galt?

 

lynn

Jul 16, 2009

Oh. Did you hear.
That Dr. Jones Just discovered a cure for cancer ?
opps. no.. sorry .. baby Jones was killed in an abortion today..
but wait.. Mrs. B C smith just discovered the cure for Autism..
after many years of research & with her own autistic son..
OH.. no.. No mrs. BC Smith..
sorry . she was also killed today..
humm.. maybe Don ..nope. sorry..also killed..
Jill !! YEA JILL ..
again.. nope.
(Someday I hope there is a cure)

 

IH

Jul 16, 2009

Saying that 'the ends justifies the means' assumes that we, as mere mortals, truly understand the end result of all our actions. This presupposes a humanistic world view, that makes human being and the 'science' that they understand omnicient. This world view was proven frail in the fall of the Soviet Union, a fairly young nation when it fell. It led to despair, alcoholism, and lack of motivation. A friend who grew up there said that the KGB and the Mafia worked hand-in-hand. It's like the book Animal Farm, where ther rhetoric said that 'all animals are equal,' but more and more it was added that 'some animals are more equal than others.' Just who are the people who get to determine who is sterilized and qho isn't? Those people are truly trying to 'play God.'

 

Nate Higgins

Jul 16, 2009

ronbow502000

Jul 16, 2009

Someday, perhaps sooner than we think, the views that so "horrify" in these documents will not seem so radical. I cannot believe we are actually appointing a science czar who actually knows something. With close to 8 billion people we will continue to cut the rain forests and move into more areas that cannot support human society. Carbon will not be washed from the atmosphere and the death toll from drought and disease will be astronomical. IF we do not listen to what the Erdichs' have been saying, and also pay attention to Malthus we will have a disaster that will make abortion and other methods of population control look like a picnic in the park.

 

nate Higgins

Jul 16, 2009

ronbow, How was the coolaid? to think the earth cannot support all of as (and more) is idiotic. God has established the world and upholds it by the power of his word. The liberal environment catastrophe is really a represion of what they know in there hearts. That is that Jesus Christ will return and judge the living and the dead, the non believers hide behind a thin veil, blaming humanity for the woes of the world, ignoring the blatant hatred of our Provider. Poor hurting souls, please stop ignoring the truth and turn to our one true salvation, the attoning death and resurection of the Messiah.

 

Hasufel

Jul 16, 2009

If I assume Holdren is entertaining a hypothetical situation where the only choices presented to the nation are his program of population control versus rampant starvation and violence as people fight over scraps, then I can see the sense in his statements.

But I draw a line between entertaining an idea and advocating it.

Still, the relevant question for us is: Are we prepared to deal with the consequences of our pursuit of the moral/ethical life? Are Americans prepared to suffer, truely suffer, so that their fellows can live?

Considering our wanton materialism and our self-entitlement complex, I have my doubts. It's a question I wrestle with every day.

 

What?

Jul 17, 2009

How do you people talk about this so lightly. This man is appointed as "king(czar)of science." You act like 8billion people is some astronomical number when are population growth on a world wide scale is about to head into the negative numbers. Which means numbers/population will be on a decline, which is more serious than a hypothetical over-population. If we were headed in that direction why do we burn so much of our crops every year. What is it with you people and your trendy science. Entertaining this idea is ludicrous........Repeating/supporting/entertaining the same failed progressive politically charged science is insanity. Let me guess you also believe in "Global Warming," or was that "Climate Change," I forget. I guess that all depends on whether we are in a cooling or warming trend.

 

DrD

Jul 17, 2009

Reagan invented AIDS and Crack.... what's the difference? Putting in the water almost seems more ethical than one of our own former Presidential Administrations (or maybe it was the CIA that introduced these things to the inner city while RWR was losing it to Alzheimer disease)

 

DrD

Jul 17, 2009

I noticed my comment was deleted when I pointed out under Reagan AIDS and Crack essentially decimated the inner city and there is substantial belief in the evidence of government involvment. Definitely an objective editorial staff.

 

Laurie Davis

Jul 17, 2009

“Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.” – Daniel Webster (1782-1852)

 

SwampFox

Jul 17, 2009

Markus7: "Understanding ethics as a set of simple minded heuristics for choosing moral behaviors is a primitive, dangerously naïve kind of ethics."


Okay, I have a simple...and possibly "primitive"... question.

WHO determines what the baseline for ethics? WHAT consitutes right and wrong?

That is the whole problem, here. Statism and the power of a ruling elite are supposed to be the ethical arbiters for the supposed "good," of mankind.

That is NOT freedom. That is conciet, arrogance, and a mind towards slavery.

 

Liberty

Jul 17, 2009

markus7: is it ok to kill 1 person to save 2? 20? 1000? Will you pull the trigger yourself? And how do you actually know that killing 1 will save n people? That's the problem isn't it? Arrogance that some seem to think they know that committing 1 evil will stop another. It's like like a lie you have to keep, it will keep growing and growing until it becomes and end unto itself.

 

Liberty

Jul 17, 2009

DrD: no, they just think you are an idiot, which you are.

 

SwampFox

Jul 17, 2009

My comments were deleted, so I will repost them.
"Understanding ethics as a set of simple minded heuristics for choosing moral behaviors is a primitive, dangerously naïve kind of ethics."

Please allow me to ask a simple...but possibly "primitive"... question.

WHO establishes the baseline for ethics?

This is the whole point, in that the statists are demanding to rule people as if they are gods, themselves, and that freedom is an archane concept.

This is the complete antithesis of our nation!

 

Susan D.

Jul 17, 2009

What about the booming infertility business and the babies being created in a dish via IVF? Let's look at that for a moment. . .doctors create life and take life away (via abortions and abortion pills). GOD is the Author and Creator of all LIFE. He is also the One to take it away. When will the government come to terms with this simple fact? Pray for the government and President Obama to change their hearts and minds. They desperately need our help. Once the government accepts that GOD is in charge, this country will start to heal.

 

verysadAmerican

Jul 18, 2009

I don't understand why ther has been no mention of how NOT WELL the handing out of condoms and the pushing of SAFE SEX has worked-I would love to see alot less unmarried women haveing babies-not because the babies are so terrible-but because God's plan a mom and dad and then a baby-of course there is a problem in our country-but why not admit that the liberal anything goes thinking has not worked-and let's get back to Black and White-Right and Wrong morals-let's admit when something is wrong and say "You know what no you should be married before you have a family and no you should not have sex before marriage-and let's admit this also there is NO!!!! fail safe contraceptive-OBVIOUSLY

 

russ

Jul 18, 2009

"The alternatives (starvation, war, ecosystem collapse, species extinction) are even worse."

Actually, these alternatives are not worse.

 

Kate

Jul 18, 2009

Read Immaculate Deception!

 

kate

Jul 18, 2009

If we pull some of the strings of the frayed edges together we'll see what a huge industry the "Reproductive Rights" industry is. Start looking at the fabric under a microscope and you can see the pattern of who the profiteers are and much of the money comes from extorted (oh, I mean taxed) money.

 

Jul 19, 2009

There is an old saying, you can know a person by the company he keeps.

Well, lets look at Obama and his personally picked cadre, Holdren, Geithner, Emmanuel and many
more of the cream of the GMO crop that wants to
destroy America by designed engineered economic strangulation along with depopulation strategies. The only solution to this disaster is the person looking back at you in the mirror. If you want to keep what freedom you have left you better
be prepared to put your life on the line just as our military men and women are doing on a daily basis fighting bogus worldwide conflicts. It sounds ominous but only we who remain are the only ones
we can depend upon in these dark days ahead of
us. Take heed fellow Americans, take heed it's only your life and loved ones lives.

Veritas Jim

 

Jul 19, 2009

There is a new drink on the market, "Obama Kool Aid" made from the personal formula of Jim Jones get a six pack while you can.

VJ

 

M.J.G.

Jul 22, 2009

So what do we do about the famines and wars to come due to overpopulation? Do we ignore the deaths with glib comments? Or let them eat the fruit of ignorance.

 

Marcie

Jul 24, 2009

Ben Stine from "Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed" said something to the effect that....' science will only lead to death via evolution'. If you want LIFE you have to go to the Word of Life, the Bible. Faith in that Word is the only answer to this problem, that is the only peace.

 

musicsmart

Jul 30, 2009

This article blatantly misrepresents Holdrens discussion of the facts that governments outside of ours have and may utilize abortion and sterilization techniques. He in now way is endorsing them. What is wrong with you people? Why can't you just accept the facts of our global realities, stop distorting the facts to promote ignorance and fear, and start lending a hand in the constructive problem solving of now most of our nation that elected Obama and his highly educated team. our fore fathers saw the destruction of ignorance and stupidity, and articles like this and dare I say the entire republican machine are evidence of the unravelling of basic civility and rational thought at the hands of those who fear intelligence. Lets invest in our public education system please so we can create more people willing to make the world a better place to live and less willing to dominate via fear of the unknown (to them).

 

buckeye

Jul 31, 2009

Holdren's book reminds me of the old story of getting rid of the old by taking them to the top of the mountain in a basket. At the top the old man reminded them to take the basket back for when it was their turn and time to go.

 

SImple Solution

Aug 2, 2009

Everyone who thinks there are too many people on earth or has the feeling they need to somehow control it needs to take it into their own hands and remove themselves from the population equation. If that person can't do it then I'll volunteer to remove them.

 

Margaret

Aug 4, 2009

I suppose if you look at what Obama wants for our country you could see how he came to pick Holdren.
Kill before they are born (abortion)and regulate healthcare for the elderly so they die sooner....sure would take care of the population....
Sad case for our great nation.

 

Del

Aug 31, 2009

"Properly understood, ethics is based on actions that produce the best outcomes. Understanding ethics as a set of simple minded heuristics for choosing moral behaviors is a primitive, dangerously naïve kind of ethics."

Behold the rationalization for the horrors that Castro, Guevara, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Stalin, Hitler and every other sadistic madman has used to justify crimes against humanity...

 

TexasGal

Sep 1, 2009

It will be a cold day in hell when the likes of Holdren tells me what to do. Further if any of these idiots thinks for one second they would ever touch one hair on my child's head, then they have been drinking the cool-aid too long and will be speaking several octaves higher for their troubles. Our government has no place for CZARS and we must protest so strongly that there is no choice but to get rid of all of them. And when they go...please take Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, and Rangel with you!!!!!

 

craziness

Sep 3, 2009

Compulsory sterilization? What is the country coming to under Obama? Are we living in North Korea, China or are we actually in the United States, the Land of the free?!?!?!

 

horror

Sep 11, 2009

I think of America as the land of the free. To hear about compulsory abortion, sterilization, makes me fear for the lives of my grandchildren and their families. What kind of hell will they think up next, who are these czars? we never had czars before? I don't like this new America. I am afraid to see these things happen. Very, very afraid.

 

Shane

Sep 15, 2009

Why should a man or woman on welfare, living off of public generosity, be allowed to continue to have children for which they can provide no support? If people do not act responsibly (only having children they can support), what rights should they have to continue to produce those children?

 

RealityBased

Sep 18, 2009

Wow, Shane. People have the right to have children, no matter what their financial situation. However, I agree with you that we shouldn't have to support them with our tax dollars. Perhaps, if we did away with the Un-Constitutional program of "welfare", they would think twice about having children they can't support.

Why don't we think about getting rid of the current corrupt political parties and get back to the basics which founded this once great nation. I encourage each of you to research the Constitution Party. Get away from current politics and put our country back the way is was. A "Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all"

Come on people! Don't just sit there and complain about the ObamaNation... Do something!

 

acd

Sep 25, 2009

I'd have to see these comments in context, rather than as selective quoting by someone who obviously has an axe to grind.

Population growth can degrade life not only for the 'new' people who are born, but also for those already alive. A population growing at 3% per year will double in about 25 years. Three percent was a typical growth rate for developing countries when that book was written.

Consider that when the population doubles, that requires doubling the infrastructure, housing, food production, health care, etc., just to maintain the existing quality of life.

In a situation where population growth is far outstripping the productive capacity of the economy, what are we to do? It's appropriate to have a discussion of the possibilities beforehand, to give some thought as to what might or might not be acceptable.

 

Steve S.

Oct 28, 2009

For 8 years I was in agreement with Democrats that Bush was spending too much. For 8 freaking years. Now, Obama is spending too much and even spending more than Bush and the Democrats are singing a different tune now. Why was it wasteful under Bush but OK now? Democrats and Obama are the biggest jokes ever perpetrated on America.
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mae partner

Nov 27, 2009

What is is going to take to finally wake up America??? This Obama Czar, Holdren, is just one more crony that shows you where Obama is headed....forced sterilization? Forced abortion? Thats what his book said. Add that to Rev. Right, Bill Ayers, and a host of other seedy characters and it gives you a picture of the Grand Obama Plan! Get him the hell out of the oval office! That will be the day they get away with forced sterilization while I draw a breath!

 

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