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UPDATED2: No, Obama's VA did NOT pull so-called 'Death Book' from website

By: David Freddoso
Online Opinion Editor
08/24/09 11:56 AM EDT

UPDATE: Earlier today, I noted that the "Your Life, Your Choices" booklet had apparently been removed from the VA site. The Department of Veterans' Affairs was kind enough to get back to me several hours after I called, in order to clarify what happened today on their website.

Spokeswoman Katie Roberts informs me that although the "Your Life, Your Choices" booklet was removed this morning from the URL I had linked to, there has been no policy change by VA. The document removed this morning had simply been hosted in the wrong place all along, on a regional part of the VA website. Links to that document should have pointed to the same document on a different part of va.gov, and it is just a coincidence that the regional copy was removed on the same day that news segments on the document aired on cable television.

Roberts said that "Your Life, Your Choices "is in a revision process in order to make sure that the document is most inclusive" of all points of view when it comes to end of life issues, and that the revision process includes faith-based and medical groups. She declined to answer for the record whether the revisions are being done because of any objectionable material in the current document.

She also declined to answer whether the VA, in its educational materials, is in the habit of posing to wounded veterans the question of whether their lives are worth living if they are wheelchair-bound or unable to control their bladder -- two of the many scenarios explored in "Your Life, Your Choices."

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Jim Towey wrote last week in the Wall Street Journal that Obama's Veterans' Affairs department had revived a controversial and previously discontinued 53-page pamphlet on end-of-life issues for wounded soldiers. The debate over what Towey calls the "Death Book" bodes poorly for the president's position in the health care debate.

We were supposed to be beyond any debate over "death panels" when it comes to health care reform. But now the administration is scrambling to explain whether and why it has been referring physicians to use an educational document for end-of-life planning that strongly hints at the worthlessness of life when its quality is diminished by, for example, being wheelchair-bound or having bladder control problems.

There are perfectly uncontroversial ways to approach the topic of advanced directives for end-of-life care. But critics are charging that this pamphlet is evidence of the government asking wounded veterans to consider the burden they are placing on their families and on society by staying alive. The question is whether bureaucrats can be trusted to handle this issue with the sensitivity it demands, and Towey, President Bush's former director of faith-based initiatives, believes this pamphlet fails that test. He writes:

"Your Life, Your Choices" presents end-of-life choices in a way aimed at steering users toward predetermined conclusions, much like a political "push poll." For example, a worksheet on page 21 lists various scenarios and asks users to then decide whether their own life would be "not worth living."

The circumstances listed include ones common among the elderly and disabled: living in a nursing home, being in a wheelchair and not being able to "shake the blues." There is a section which provocatively asks, "Have you ever heard anyone say, 'If I'm a vegetable, pull the plug'?" There also are guilt-inducing scenarios such as "I can no longer contribute to my family's well being," "I am a severe financial burden on my family" and that the vet's situation "causes severe emotional burden for my family."

When the government can steer vulnerable individuals to conclude for themselves that life is not worth living, who needs a death panel?

The Bush Administration had discontinued this booklet's use, but Towey claimed that the VA is urging doctors to use it once again now. Over the weekend, VA Assistant Secretary Tammy Duckworth denied this, but no one in the administration has explained why it was re-posted to the Internet at some point prior to July 2, and why the VA specifically links to it as a resource for practitioners.

The booklet was co-authored by Dr. Robert Pearlman, who was among several physicians and scholars who argued in a 1996 Supreme Court amicus brief that the high court "should recognize a right to physician assisted suicide for dying patients."

President Obama is certainly not responsible for developing this booklet. Not only was it first published in 1997, but political accountability to voters would likely prevent such a thing from being done on purpose by any elected official. The bureaucracy is responsible -- and unfortunately, the same bureaucracy that ultimately coughed out this booklet will be responsible for developing cost-saving measures in health care, through the president's Independent Medical Advisory Council. "Death Panel" may be an unpleasant or even inaccurate term for what such a panel does. The VA booklet reminds us that bureaucrats are capable of almost anything.




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Catherine

Aug 24, 2009

The pdf.file - 'Book' - IS still available. I just went to the link provided above. http://www.rihlp.org/pubs/Your_life_your_choices.pdf

 

Catherine

Aug 24, 2009

Sorry...folks...it was there and I just tried it again and got a 'page not found'...weird. It was there for a few mins. too. I could read the cover of the book. hmmm!?

 

Catherine

Aug 24, 2009

And I just took a screen shot...the link is still 'active' under the '53-page pamphlet'....

 

Mollie

Aug 24, 2009

You bet the VA removed the Book of the Century! Many of us, however, copied it early on. Obama, the Partner of God, didn't act fast enough. Which member of the partnership blinked?

 

Catherine

Aug 24, 2009

Download it now as a reminder of 'things' to come...I PRAY NOT!

 

ajaye

Aug 24, 2009

You people are crazy or seriously ignorant. I am a lawyer and prepare living wills for my clients all the time. It is part of any lawyer's standard will package. This is pure and utter bunk and you should be ashamed of yourselves for buying into such outlandish propaganda. There is nothing wrong with preparing a living will. It helps ensure that your wishes are known in the event that you cannot communicate them. Nobody's plug gets pulled if they have a chance of a healthy normal life after recovery. Some of us would not want to have resources wasted keeping us alive if there is no hope of recovery. Once you are brain dead, you're gone. Or if you slip into a coma when you're terminally ill, should heroic measures be taken, such as feeding tubes, to keep you alive for another few weeks?

Get a clue people. This is what we're talking about.

 

DB

Aug 24, 2009

The link is still active. Unless it was a different book before. What's posted now is a relatively useful workbook to reflect on your personal desires before writing a Living Will (which everyone should have, regardless of age).

It does appear to have been written by a callous ass, though. Word choice is rather insensitive.

The "is your life worth living" section is asking us which situations under which we would want our relatives to stop artificially keeping us alive.

Why would any sane person title it that? Really!

 

Rob

Aug 24, 2009

Its still on the VA site. Search your life your choices
http://www.ethics.va.gov/YLYC/YLYC_First_edition_20001001.pdf But removed from yesterday's location
http://www1.va.gov/pugetsound/docs/ylyc.pdf

 

K9USAFRet

Aug 24, 2009

ajaye:

Let me propose a legal scenario vets have seen before. The AO Act of 1991 (P.L. 102-4) was meant for anyone exposed to AO, but has been turned into a denial by the VA. It even used the Chevron defense saying it was the only one who could and should interpret a Congressional ambiguity. Now if there is something ambiguous in the legislation, tell me how you think it will be interpreted? If you tell me you can't you have made my and others point.

 

Rob

Aug 24, 2009

ajaye: The issue isn't a living will, its the language of a life not worth living. The book leads you to conclude your life is not worth living when its a burden to others, not when brain dead. The strong implication is that only a social taboo prevents suicide if you decided as the booklet suggest your life is not worth living in some lesser condition. For many, worth of life comes from the community, or from He who made us and not from we ourselves. Barring heroic measures has nothing to do with an existential determination of self worth.

 

Retep

Aug 24, 2009

Ajave
The issue is not living wills per se, it's that the government is pushing them for the purpose of saving money.
I have no problem with an individual going about it privately. Just get the gov't out of it.

 

J Scott

Aug 24, 2009

It's still there...

 

Hitlerian

Aug 24, 2009

Let's just start rounding up people who aren't worth it and exterminate them, according to godless ghoul accountants.
Secular economies take their orders from HELL!

 

KingTut

Aug 24, 2009

ajaye, this isn't about creating a living will, it's about steering someone who is creating a living will into believing that his/her life would be so worthless if the will ever needs to be enforced that the best thing to do is let them die. the propoganda is telling someone in a government sponsored pamplet that if you can't help your family, then maybe you shouldn't allow them to help you because you're a burden. My father-inlaw killed himself after his wife died because he didn't want to become a burden to his kids. We didn't think he was a burden, but this pamplet that he received because he was a veteran sure as hell made it sound to him like he was.

 

richard mcenroe

Aug 24, 2009

Sorry, old vets, you're clunkers and we're turning you in for newer models that are cheaper to run.

 

RonReagan

Aug 24, 2009

Actually, David, the 2nd link for the "Your Life, Your Choices" guide http://www.ethics.va.gov/YLYC/YLYC_First_edition_20001001.pdf
was posted on the Va.gov on August 20th, 2009, not July 2nd.

You can verify this on this VA search page: http://www.index.va.gov/search/va/va_search.jsp?QT=your life your choices

If you want to see something REALLY interesting look at the 2nd link on that search page. When you open that you will see a link to an "Aging Toolkit" on the American Bar Assoc. site that is virtually identical to the VA death guide.

The ABA Death Guide is located at: http://www.abanet.org/aging/toolkit


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jan

Aug 24, 2009

death panels are part of the proposed bill no matter how obama wants to spin it. obama is a liar and so are his cronies. a living will is a pernonal choice and should not be made by the government for an individual

 

zeke@mailinator.com

Aug 24, 2009

Sometimes bending the cost curve requires that old soldiers fulfill their patriotic duty to die. It would be fitting to have the nightly news list the names of the daily volunteers for a dignified death at the hands of God's partner.

 

macattack

Aug 24, 2009

I was the guy who dealt with two brothers who knew the were terminal. Both were Navy Veterans and the Va dealt with them and did the best. Palo Alto VA sent Steve to Stanford for his Brain Tumor and John went to Davis. Both of them stated that they did not want what is/was called 'heroics'. John passed away with his ex wife caring for him and Steve passed away at the VA Hospice in Menlo Park, CA. They did have Morphine and both were well taken care of. They did not die by drugs or poison. I did ask for extra Morph for Steve as it was obvious that he hurt. No suicide by VA, Government or self was involved. Mark, their brother and I miss them!

 

NoParty

Aug 24, 2009

If the pamphlet was removed, the question is Why? If it is simply a blueprint for discussion on how one would make a living will, what was in it that it needed to be deleted? While Ajaye works with people to make sure their wishes are followed, I think it is pretty suspicious that the VA decided to remove the pamphlet...there may have been some items in it, that on re-reading them, made the VA realize how crude and unthinking they were.

 

macattack

Aug 24, 2009

Since January 2009 I have been in the VA system. I had pneumonia in Dec 2008 and my brother told me to contact the VA. Glad I did! May of 2009 I had a stroke and seizure. The VA has been running tests on me since. So far they have found that I had a 'mini stroke'. VA is a good thing. macattack...got that name from my navy, army,airforce veteran brother.

 

DB

Aug 24, 2009

An earlier poster said he was an ATTORNEY supporting the death panel language. Now that an ATTORNEY has spoken, I'm really relieved!

 

macattack

Aug 24, 2009

By the way...I'm no hero but I do have pictures of my brother Martin receiving a Bronze Star. He and his buddy were ambushed while on patrol! Martin turned the fight against the enemy and saved his buddies life to the chagrine of the VC. The VA has been good to our family and I can say that we have at least one hundred years worth of service to our country since WW11. Some may be registered as reserves but it still counts. macattack and I think the VA is TOPS!

 

macattack

Aug 24, 2009

Well Hi There! I was never a hero! I have picures of my brother Martin receiving a Bronze Star and a Purpil Heart. He turned a VC ambush into a disaster for the VC. OK a small one but he saved his buddies life and I guess his own. The VA has been very nice to him, my father, my brothers, John, Martin, Stephen, Jim and me...Mark. Tom could be included but at the moment he has health insurance.

 

macattack

Aug 24, 2009

OH! By the way, I forgot to include my brother Joe. The VA is still taking care of him. He is the young one in the family. I can't remember everything in one post! LOL! And the VA is a very good organization. But I don't think it should be used by 'those people.'

 

macattack

Aug 24, 2009

Oh! By the by! I was at the VA clinic the other day and mentioned to my doctor that I was in Field Artillery. She asked me it I was having any hearing problems. I told her no. She came back with...If you do have hearing problem the VA will send you a hearing aid.

Don't tell me they won't/don't help. The VA sent me a Blood Pressure Monitor.

What else are they supposed to do?

Get some facts instead of rumors!
macattack

 

jojo

Aug 24, 2009

Read the document. It is full of useful informaton for people to consider BEFORE they or their family members are faced with end-of-life issues. I don't like Obama, but this has nothing to do with him.

 

Wife of Vietnam vet

Aug 24, 2009

We spent our own money to get less counseling than the 54 page document provides. Maybe insensitive, but how do you discuss this with great sensitivity? We are conservative, but we think that this is a red herring.

 

macattack

Aug 24, 2009

Wife of Vietnam Vet, My best to you and your family! I like sardines but have used up my supply. What is a commie herring? I mean a "red herring"?
Have you gone to the VA? I have to say that the VA is very good. I've had more attention to my health since I visited the VA. I was never a person to see the doc but glad I did. Don't worry about people dissing the VA. I will bet that most of them have never served in the Military and most of them are goofs. OOPS.

Mark Hillyard
bobkit@37.com
Yes! Blast Me...

 

Osamas Pajamas

Aug 24, 2009

Watch for a "sanitized" version that has been scrubbed of offending language and injected with hot air and ambiguous language. BTW, when I become a vegetable, I'd like someone to pull the plug. Meanwhile, at the minimum we need term limits for the scoundrels and predatory humanitarians who rule us by force and by fraud.

 

macattack

Aug 24, 2009

Well now! You wear Osamas Pajamas? Shame on you! We are here to talk about the nasty VA, or did I miss something? You say one thinggy and then another and you, "become a vegetable,",? As my dad would say...often..."Are you a man or a mouse?"

There is lot to say about this debate and I don't mean to be mean. Are you a vet? If o speak to it if not let us know. I'm a big hearted guy. What is with you and your opinion on this VA issue. Just in case you are referring to me then I will say that I am very far from being "sanitized"! The VA is a very good Organization. Just got another appointment from them today. Kinda early but I can handle it.
macattack
macattack

 

new vet

Aug 25, 2009

All you vets on here claiming that the VA is so great. I am glad that you are having a good run with them some VA hospitals are pretty good but not because the gov runs them it is because the people there still care. As far as signing off the VA as the great vet care taker don't think so. My grandfather a WWII vet was diagnosed with pollops in around 1998. The only problem was no one put this discovery in his records so he went on until around 2001 with these growths increasing in his intestines until it basiclly did him there were other factors old age some lung damage from smoking early on. But still if the VA had done what it was supposed to do then he might still be around or at least made it long enough for me to get home on leave. So for those of you who want Big Bro gov to take you from cradle to grace I pray and vote you don't get what you ask for but if you do then I will get to say I told u so.

 

gregor

Aug 25, 2009

hahahah.

Conservatives and Republicans and Thugs (I know I am being redundant here) do not understand simple English: no one is proposing what you guys claim is being proposed. Your propaganda based on lies and willful distortions will fool only a tiny minority to who you are doing a great disservice by misinforming them.

 

ahksehl

Aug 25, 2009

Medicaid and medicare are basically socialized medicine; Now that the American people are accustomed to the idea of getting free care the devil they made the deal with is taking off it's mask. Did any of you old people really think you were going to get something for free?! The only thing people will get fro free under socialized medicine is a suicide pill, You will have to pay an enormous amount of money and will get only what the bureaucrats give you, and if you are not politically correct you will get death. Serves Americans right for thinking someone else should take care of em,

 

ThomasS

Aug 25, 2009

1) Socialism = rationing
2) Rationing = death panels & blindness lotteries, and kidney lines and so on and so on.

If you are too stupid to understand this then you must be a liberal. Death Panels will manifest in a thousand ways some subtle, some not.

While "living wills" are not Death Panels, they will be used by them - big time.

Whatever happened to freedom in the country? Why do we elect swine?

 

a nurse

Aug 25, 2009

As a healthcare provider I wish everyone who came into the hospital would already have these forms filled out. It would make our jobs alot easier. These are questions everyone needs to consider, however, they should be done before the crisis, not during the crisis. I see too many tough decisions having to be made during tough times. I am downloading this pamphlet for my husband and I to fill out as well as sending copies to my adult children. Come on people, you want choices take this opportunity to make your choices known. By the way, this ball is not just in Obama's court. Remember we are still a country of checks and balances so let's not just hang Obama, let's remember the Senate and Congress and Supreme Court. Checks and balances. When we point a finger at the government we need to ask ourselves if the officials we elected are doing what we want. This is the United States of America and WE are the government.

 

Tiggus

Aug 25, 2009

Sometimes those initially injured, as younger folk or those with still a few good decades to live, are melancholic, depressed, and listless immediately after serious injury or illness (immediately can be up to a few years).

Later, they are glad that things they considered not liveable before (no arms no legs, etc...) are liveable and glad others were there to push on and get them past decisions that would have ended their lives.

What we think when we're young and mobile and whole is not necessarily what we will conclude later after support and recovery.

A vegetable with no chance of recovery in a coma is one thing... whell-chair bound and being a burden are others.. and transient.

Short-sighted pamphlet. Sometimes we're glad our prayers weren't met and we surprise ourselves what life's meaning really amounts to. Not narrow secular economics, that's for sure (give me Von Mises, please).

 

HilliardOHPatriot

Aug 25, 2009

a nurse: You may think we still have checks and balances, but the White House is quickly circumventing them. With Obama's appointment of all his czars, who are not approved by the Senate (or anyone for that matter), many of who are only answerable to Obama, many getting paid generous 6-figure salaries, how long do you think Congress and the Supreme Court will have any real power? Here is a list of all the czars, their salary if known, what they do, who should be doing the job, who they report to, and their background. They are a stunning collection of people who should not be working in the White House and ordinarily, many of them would not get security clearance - in fact the FBI has not been vetting them - the White House is "personally" vetting them:

 

AL B EE

Aug 25, 2009

I won't go to the VA hospital for fear of being pumped full of Obama juice. Most of my health problems relating to military service is untreatable or incurable. I just don't trust Obama or the Democrats. They are following the Nazis and Communists too closely in their plan to dispose of the weak, sick and incurable.

Besides if they don't pill the plug, they will get the vet with a colonoscopy or false diagnoses. Hopefully a couple hundred will have a heart attacks. If Obama can get rid of one military vet and their medical costs, that is five abortions here or overseas.

 

disabled combat vet

Aug 25, 2009

Ajaye is all riled up it seems. Sorry Ajaye, I will not give you any $ for a living will as I can get one free on the internet. Maybe you should try real estate, oh wait! that`s not all that great either. Join the Army!

 

congressive

Aug 26, 2009

By law the VA has to make all documents funded by public money available for free from their website, obsolete or not. If they didn't leave this on their site, I'd be screaming for access to something I paid for.

Capitalism=rationing (increase profit by eliminating coverage)
Rationing=corporate insurance "Death Panels", deny operations, deny medications.

If you don't see this, you are blind (a pre-existing condition that won't be covered by your insurance).

 

Nuff Said

Aug 26, 2009

Secretary Shinseki of the VA appears to be just another former general willing to do anything, say anything in order to continue to feed at the public trough. An oath taken “ …protect the constitution from enemies foreign and domestic…” long forgotten.

 

MikiStewart

Aug 26, 2009

I was enraged when this booklet was included in the surgery prep pack when my 60% disabled vet hubby had hernia surgery. They encouraged him to prepare end-of-life directives for his permanent file.

 

THE J

Aug 26, 2009

GET EDUCATED... GET THE FACTS DUH HEAD

YOU ARE WRONG.

Every hospital in Florida requires a living will. That is what this is about.

 

TryingToBeReasonable

Aug 26, 2009

The complaint about the pamphlet is not the living will part that is very important and should be done by everyone. The complaint is the overly emphasized “if there is something wrong with you then life is not worth living” message in it. All the examples state that death was the option that would or should have been chosen, why not allow some of the options be that life is chosen? Most Vets reading this are in a depressed mood already, they are sick, or injured, or have been living with disabilities for awhile and in that state even simple suggestions of worthlessness can be blown all out of proportions. The issue is important, but it needs to get the message out without making the “kill me now” message so blatant.

 

Margaret

Aug 27, 2009

I downloaded a copy of the booklet a week or so ago. In the section on dementia it deals with an old lady who forgets to eat. Here's their solution: "Her daughter has power of
attorney for health care and has to decide whether to
have a long-term feeding tube surgically placed into
her mother's stomach. The surgery is quick and won't
cause much pain, but the real issue is guessing how
Mrs. Chen would value her current life. If they place the
feeding tube, Mrs. Chen could live for many more years
in the same or worse condition. If they don't, she will
die in about 2 weeks or less, and probably won't feel
hungry or thirsty". Talk about callousness.

 

JC

Aug 27, 2009

The sky is falling, the sky is falling and The emporer has new clothes. More propaganda being spread for sure!

 

BK

Aug 30, 2009

This is more proof the government will dehumanize the ill and elderly. The culture of death goose-steps on.

 

AGI

Sep 26, 2009

I am sickened by this booklet. Our veterans should be honored, not slyly encouraged to die. What is wrong with the VA administration? With our government?

 

Gordon

Oct 7, 2009

AGI and others, you all are as crazy as hell. EVERY hospital in America is required by law to ask EVERY admitted patient whether or not they have a living will, and if they don't, to offer help in writing one. There's nothing wrong with VA or the government that wouldn't be cured by all of you getting some FACTS. Like, this book was revived by the BUSH administration in 2008.... not by the Obama administration. If you think the book encourages anyone to die, that's you projecting your own fears and craziness.
If this country falls apart, it will be because of the stupidity of phony "patriots" like you.

 

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