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On the House floor

By: David Freddoso
Online Opinion Editor
06/26/09 4:48 PM EDT

By all appearances, the House is about to vote on a very long bill of which it has no completed official copy.

Texas Republican Reps. Joe Barton and Louie Gohmert have just asked the chair whether there exists a complete, updated copy of the Waxman-Markey carbon-cap bill.

"If a bill for which there is no copy were to actually pass this body," Barton asked, "could the bill without a copy be sent to the Senate for its consideration?"

Through a series of parliamentary inquiries, the Republicans learned that the 300-plus page managers' amendment, added to the bill last night in the House Rules Committee, has not even been been integrated with the official copy of the 1,090-page bill at the House Clerk's desk, let alone in any other location. The two documents are side-by-side at the desk as the clerk reads through the instructions in the 300 page document for altering the 1,090 page document.

But they cannot be simply combined, because the amendment contains 300 pages of items like this: "Page 15, beginning line 8, strike paragraph (11)..." How many members of Congress do you suppose have gone through it all to see how it changes the bill?

Global Warming is apparently so urgent that we can't even wait until members of Congress know what they're voting on.




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FaustNation

Jun 26, 2009

Chicago politics at its best (or worst, as they case may be) had begun dominating National politics. Oy vey. Faustomics.com and the 2013revolution.com to the rescue, Dude.

 

Peter Williams

Jun 27, 2009

Any ethical person, republican or democrat, should have refused to vote until a completed copy was available.

 

CatoReansci

Jun 27, 2009

One wonders if there is the basis of a lawsuit against Congress for passing nonexistent legislation that is written after the fact.

 

Charlie Frey

Jun 27, 2009

Does this raise the possibility that the bill can still be stopped before being sent to the Senate on some procedural grounds?

 

salt

Jun 27, 2009

I'd ask Congress if it understand what it's doing, but I'm afraid such a question is a few grades beyond them

 

Remorhaz

Jun 27, 2009

Even if it was completed no one in Congress will read it - that is the job of the enforcers *after* the fact. The American government is a failed experiment. It needs to be scrapped.

 

Katherine

Jun 27, 2009

At some point doesn't this become illegal? We have legislation without representation.

 

iconoclast

Jun 27, 2009

It is better that there is no real bill--that way the rent-seeking favorites and friends can be granted more by our masters. How do you guys like your new serfdom? With a SCOTUS that doesn't see any limits on government overreaching (and views the Constitution as toilet paper) and an administration that is by turns unbelievably incompetent and incredibly corrupt, we now have a real trifecta with a Congress that doesn't even bother to read the bills that will restructure (and loot) our economy. So, at what point does this government become illegitimate?

 

iconoclast

Jun 27, 2009

The feds control our schools, our lights, our toilets, our energy use, and soon our healthcare. The feds believe that private property exists for the benefit of government to give away as it sees fit. They also believe that discrimination is desirable as long as it is done for the benefit of particular people. They are printing money that we don't have in order to pay for even more government. What stops this juggernaut?

 

American

Jun 27, 2009

I agree wholeheartedly with Peter Williams. This is nothing but gangster government.

 

Huey

Jun 27, 2009

American government is NOT a failed experiment. The concept works when implemented correctly. Direct election of senators and a watering down of states' rights, plus the wholesale creation of the nanny state, has ruined what once worked very well.

 

Fred

Jun 28, 2009

Wow,this sounds like almost every single bill during the Republican majority years,but of course,because the right opposes this bill(and any other bill that doesn't allow them to continue to murder the planet),it's just another eaxmple of hos Liberals are all a bunch of Enviro-Commie-Fascist-Jesus-Hating-Baby-Skinning-Muslins. Oh,I forgot,Obama is not an American citizen. He's from Uranus. Did I get all the winger bogeymen?

 

Rob

Jun 29, 2009

Is anyone at all surprised over this? I'll lay odds that hardly any Congressman has bothered to read any of the bills they've voted on for decades. We could elect a bunch of illiterate clowns and get the same results. Oh, wait...

 

eric stratton

Jun 29, 2009

Fred, please give us one example of when a Republican-led congress passed a bill with no official copy. I predict... crickets.... chirp... chirp... chirp...

 

Eric Stratton

Jun 29, 2009

Fred, and while you're at it, please explain to the "wingers" how this bill will help the planet. Do us all a favor and please stop exhaling planet-killing CO2 emissions.

 

Donna

Jul 1, 2009

The House and Senate pass a bill for the so called stimulus - they DID NOT READ IT!!! The House and Senate pass a bill for the budget - they DID NOT READ IT!!!! Now the House passes the bill for cap and trade and it is not all put together - apparently the House DID NOT READ IT!!!!! Is this what America voted for in Washington???? I did not and I am very worried about where America is headed. Anyone else??

 

Donna

Jul 1, 2009

The House and Senate pass a bill for the so called stimulus - they DID NOT READ IT!!! The House and Senate pass a bill for the budget - they DID NOT READ IT!!!! Now the House passes the bill for cap and trade and it is not all put together - apparently the House DID NOT READ IT!!!!! Is this what America voted for in Washington???? I did not and I am very worried about where America is headed. Anyone else??

 

Justin

Jul 1, 2009

It doesn't really matter b/c the Senate version will have to be reconciled with the House bill and voted on again in the House before sendinging it to BO.

 

Recce1

Jul 15, 2009

Does any honest and intelligent person still believe that we live in a democratic Republic under the rule of constitutional law? Can anyone here name just one of the Bill of Rights that's still intact save the Third, so far?


Folks, we need to dust off the Declaration of Independence and take it to heart with a vengeance no matter where it leads, keeping in mind the reason Thomas Jefferson said the 2nd Amendment was really written. If that means necktie parties for administration and congressional traitors,so be it.

And yes, I'm one of those threats to the Fatherland, oops, I mean Homeland since I'm a retired veteran who took an oath to defend the Constitution of the USA, not the USSA, against all enemies both foreign AND domestic.

 

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