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Glenn Harlan Reynolds: Remember when protest was patriotic?

By: Glenn Harlan Reynolds
Sunday Reflections Contributor
August 8, 2009

"Protest  is patriotic!"  "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism!"

These battle-cries were heard often, in a simpler America of long ago -- that is, before last November.  Back then, protests -- even if they were organized by the usual leftist apparatchik-groups like ANSWER or ACORN -- were seen - at least in the media - as proof of popular discontent.
 
When handfuls of Code Pink ladies disrupted congressional hearings or speeches by Bush administration officials, it was taken as evidence that the administration's policies were unpopular, and that the thinking parts of the populace were rising up in true democratic fashion.

Even disruptive tactics aimed at blocking President Bush's Social Security reform program were merely seen as evidence of boisterous high spirits and robust, wide-open debate.  On May 23, 2005, the Savannah Morning News reported:

“By now, Jack Kingston is used to shouted questions, interruptions and boos.  Republican congressmen expect such responses these days when they meet with constituents about President Bush's proposal to overhaul Social Security.
 
“Tinkering with the system is always controversial. To make Bush's plan even more so -- political foes are sending people to Social Security forums armed with hostile questions.

By now, Kingston, a Savannah lawmaker and part of the GOP House leadership, has held 10 such sessions and plans at least seven more.”

On March 16, USA Today reported that Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum "was among dozens of members of Congress who ran gantlets of demonstrators and shouted over hecklers at Social Security events last month. Many who showed up to protest were alerted by e-mails and bused in by anti-Bush organizations such as MoveOn.org and USAction, a liberal advocacy group. They came with prepared questions and instructions on how to confront lawmakers."

This was just good, boisterous politics: "Robust, wide-open debate." But when it happens to Democrats, it's something different:  A threat to democracy, a sign of incipient fascism, and an opportunity to set up a (possibly illegal) White House "snitch line" where people are encouraged to report "fishy" statements to the authorities.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi calls the "Tea Party" protesters Nazis, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman --forgetting the events above -- claims that left-leaning groups never engaged in disruptive tactics against Social Security reform, and various other administration-supporting pundits are trying to spin the whole thing as a deadly move toward "mob rule" and – somewhat contradictorily -- as a phony "astroturf" movement.

Remember:  When lefties do it, it's called "community organizing." When conservatives and libertarians do it, it's "astroturf."
But some people are noticing the truth.   As Mickey Kaus notes, "If an 'astroturfing' campaign gets real people to show up at events stating their real views, isn't it ... community organizing?"  Why yes, yes it is.

As someone who's been following the Tea Party campaign since the beginning, it seems to me to be the most genuine outbreak of grassroots popular involvement in my lifetime.  People have been turning out, in the tens of thousands at times, because they feel that Obama pulled a bait-and-switch and is moving the country much farther to the left than he promised during the campaign.
 
More significantly, most of these people are turning out to protest for the first time in their lives, and they're planning for future political involvement in years to come. Perhaps that's what's got the critics worried.

It's true, of course, that conservative and libertarian organizations -- ranging from former House Speaker Newt Gingrich's American Solutions to FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity -- are getting involved and providing advice and support, just as numerous lefty groups have always done with left-leaning movements.
 
But, as I noted in an April 15 column in The Wall Street Journal, those groups were playing catch-up to a movement that was already rolling on its own.

The truth is that for my adult lifetime, "protest" has been a kind of Kabuki engaged in by  organized groups on the Left with help from the press -- as in the recent bus tour of AIG executives that was organized and paid for by an ACORN affiliate and in which the protesters were heavily outnumbered by the media, who nonetheless generally treated it as an "authentic" expression of populist discontent.
 
Things like that tour led President Obama to warn bankers that he was the only thing standing between them and the pitchforks, one of a number of thuggish statements he's made along these lines.

Funny how fast the worm -- or maybe it's the pitchfork -- has turned. Now that we're seeing genuine expressions of populist discontent, not put together by establishment packagers on behalf of an Officially Sanctioned Aggrieved Group, we're suddenly hearing complaints of "mob rule" and demands for civility.
 
Civility is fine, but those who demand it should show it.  The Obama administration -- and its corps of willing supporters in the press and the punditry -- has set the tone, and they are now in a poor position to complain.

Whether they like it or not -- and the evidence increasingly tends toward "not" -- President Obama and his handlers need to accept that this is a free country, one where expressions of popular discontent take place outside the electoral process, and always have.  (Remember
Martin Luther King?)
 
What historians like Gordon Wood and Pauline Maier call "out-of-doors political activity" is an old American tradition, and in the past things have been far more "boisterous" than they are today.
 
Rather than demonizing today's protesters, perhaps they might want to reflect on how flimflams and thuggishness have managed to squander Obama's political capital in a few short months, and ponder what they might do to regain  the trust of the millions of Americans who are no longer inclined to give the Obama administration the benefit of the doubt.

The Washington Examiner’s Sunday Reflections contributor Glenn Harlan Reynolds blogs at InstaPundit.com, and hosts "InstaVision" on PJTV.com.

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Shanghaied

Aug 8, 2009

I saw 2 Drudge art's today: Dem congressman calling middle aged protestors brownshirts and Pelosi's seeing swastika's. The amazing cynacism and outright lies of these jerks shows their desperation. Watch the violence of the union goons claiming to be HC bill opponents to give cover to the lies for a sold out media to play to.

 

Tom

Aug 8, 2009

Great analysis. However, we s/b a little cautious. The lack of civility on the left helped marginalize them.

 

Marvin Pullman

Aug 8, 2009

I noticed on Fox NEWS that Obama and his controlers have now changed the name of the "health care program", it is now the "medical care program", no matter what you call it, it is not wanted, so here is the remedy:

CITIZENS OF AMERICA VOTE OUT ALL CONGRESS PERSONS, THEY DON'T WANT TO LISTEN, THAN LET US PUT SOME PEOPLE IN THERE WHO WILL TELL THE CONTROLERS TO GO TO AND STAY THERE, INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT:

GBTS

 

Nextaxpro

Aug 8, 2009

CNN was so biased last night that they should apologize or be shut down by the FCC {remember, Americans have been duped in to thinking the govt protects them!}. CNN only showed the shouting. CNN did not show that the congresswomen did not even show up for the town meetings or simply walked out. Our Congress needs to be tarred and feathered. What was obvious to patritic Americans 70 years ago is finally becoming obvious to the general public. Our representatives do NOT serve the wishes of the voters whom voted them in to office. None Dare Call it Treason.

 

Jeromej

Aug 8, 2009

Please stop this crazy President, he hate America. He don't have new ideas, he pattern after other failed countries.
Thanks,
Jeromej

 

JohnJ

Aug 8, 2009

Tom,

The left was marginalized? What universe are you living in?

 

Maurice Rahn

Aug 8, 2009

Ha! JohnJ beat me to it. They're running everything now.

 

Jasper

Aug 8, 2009

This may be our last chance to save this GREAT Country.

 

Anon

Aug 8, 2009

Of course Glenn is right. Until the media goes all in on exposing, analyzing, and ridiculing the democrats' utter hypocrisy on this protest issue, no one will listen to a word they -- or their friends in the democrat party -- say. If Obama were a Republican acting like this Nixonian thug, the media would be hysterical. Since the abuse of power is coming from a democrat, they're silent. The problem for them, though, is that the people have finally caught on. Even my liberal friends are rolling their eyes at Obama's criticism of a bunch of community organizers as "thugs." They see it all slipping away, because it is all slipping away. And they won't be conned a second time in 2012. For that, I'd like to thank Obama and the democrats for being too stupid to keep lying about who they really are for just a little longer.

 

Markus

Aug 8, 2009

To Tom,

" The lack of civility on the left helped marginalize them."

On the contrary. The left owns the White House ,House of Representatives and a filibuster majority in the Senate.

The left has routed the Constitution and the Republic.

 

fight

Aug 8, 2009

stop watching the bogus news programs or buying the bogus newspapers that support the lies

stop buying the products these programs advertise

stop them in their tracks
hit them where it hurts

 

Aug 8, 2009

Hey John... . Jasper.. can you tell me who ruled almost this completely .. not to long back? You think you will be in "power" forever? If the Left remains this stupid and idiotic in dealing with those that disagree with them they won't be "ruling' very long. And since when was this some sort of "monarchy'? I thought it was a democratic REPUBLIC.

 

quasimoda

Aug 8, 2009

We should organize a "tour" of the homes of these traitorous lying MSM 'jounalists'. Lets see how they feel when the pitch forks are at their doors.

 

TomPaine

Aug 8, 2009

Impeach. Obama. Today.

 

sherlock

Aug 8, 2009

GWB's words inspire the troops to fight our enemies and defend America: media screams he is attacking our liberties.

Obama's words inspire union thugs to beat up Americans engaging in free speech: media screams Americans are attacking Obama.

Liars all, every one of them, right up to the Liar-in-Chief.

 

Baxter Greene

Aug 8, 2009


Great job Mr. Reynolds,
Just as with your blog Instapundit,your analysis is insightful with great points made without coming across partisan.
The hypocrisy shown by the press and democrats is spell bindingly transparent.
What's even more astonishing is the fact that they think we don't see it.

Absolutely stuck on stupid.

 

Samir

Aug 8, 2009

Protest is patriotic if it is protesting against fat cats, etc. IMHO.

If you are protesting in favor of status quo and the wrong side, then of course I think it is not patriotic.

 

Mark Boabaca

Aug 8, 2009

Quoting ajb44125@gmail.com: "This is rich coming from a man who regularly demonized anti-war protesters as being on the side of the terrorists. http://bit.ly/38mTh"

I'm not sure if you were trying to say something negative about Glenn Reynolds or not. I clicked on one of the links from your Google search and found this: "“Disturbed anti-war protester can’t find soldier, kills civilian with axe instead.”"

You said Glenn says anti-war protesters are on the other side of terrorists. Do you mean the opposite side of (as in they are not terrorists) or to the left of (as in crazier than terrorists)?

Anyone who wields an axe to protest the war is a wack job.

 

Fredward

Aug 8, 2009

An internet poster saying Code Pink sides with the terrorists is just a tiny bit different than the Speaker of the House implying protesters are Nazis. Just a thought, now I'll go rat myself off on the President's snitch line. You know, like the one Bush had. Wait a minute....you say Bush didn't have one?

 

Olivia

Aug 8, 2009

squandering political capital?
easy come easy go
Pres whole public life/private secondary education bought w/counterfeit funds
empty is empty
only hope is love of his wife/daughters/in-laws-if he chooses the meaningfulness of those relationships over letting himself be a tool of people w/angry, destructive agendas(haters who hate themselves)then he'll find his value as a human
until then- amazes me that he doesn't value USA and the treatment of women here-isn't this the country that holds the best for the women in his life? maybe the aunt in Boston could remind him of that?-

 

Mutnodjmet

Aug 8, 2009

A truly great synopsis of the state of the citizen action groups as of today. My thoughts and prayers are with the St. Louis Tea Party as they protest outside of SEIU headquarters. They are bravely showing that the American people will not be bullied, beaten, or berated into science.

And, thank you so much Glenn, for recognizing the authentic non-partisan spirit and true grassroots nature of our Tea Party protests from the beginning. You have done real reporting, just as the Founding Fathers envisioned under the first amendment freedom of the press. If it weren't for you and alternative media sources, I shudder to think what would be happening.

I predict that the March on Washington DC just got a whole lot bigger. I have never seen my group so worked up, as they were seeing the video of Kenneth Gladney being beaten. We will see a Civil Rights March II, surely.

 

DAnnara

Aug 8, 2009

Welcome to the USSA. And they said it could not happen here.

 

Hypocrlisy at work

Aug 8, 2009

It is just so rich to see the Loony Left accusing the Right of precisely the same tactics that they themselves engaged in. WGACA (What goes around comes around).
It's just delicious to see the guy driving the Volvo or Prius with the "Question Authority" and "Censorship is Un-American" and "Heil W and the RepubliKKKAns" bumper stickers claiming that anti-Socialist-Medicine protesters are unpatriotic, and forwarding their emails to the White House's newest cabinet, the KGB.

 

Aug 9, 2009

Comment on: ?,,,to regain the trust of the millions of Americans who are no longer inclined to give the Obama administration the benefit of the doubt."

It defies all sense and logic to think that these people who refer to our president as Hitler, a Nazi, a Commie, and worse EVER were inclined to give the Obama administration the benefit of the doubt.

They couldn't win at the ballot box. So shouting and closing down town halls are the best they have.

 

JLawson

Aug 9, 2009

"
It defies all sense and logic to think that these people who refer to our president as Hitler, a Nazi, a Commie, and worse EVER were inclined to give the Bush administration the benefit of the doubt."


Fixed that for ya...

What goes around, comes around - "Hypocrlisy" - for the last 8 years I watched as the left acted like spoiled, petulant children throwing tantrums because they didn't get what they wanted. Well, now you're getting what you 'want' - but the rest of America is saying "NO!" to it. 2010's going to be interesting - I don't think the Dems are going to be able to survive getting what they wanted in 2008.

 

egoist

Aug 9, 2009

If not for instapundit (Glenn), I'm not sure there'd be any national coverage of the discontent. If these were pro-collectivist groups, I'm not sure we'd have known about Michael Jackson's demise.

 

DonC

Aug 9, 2009

I read a report this AM, where the Dem Congressman is now calling his own constituents 'liars'. Funny, politicians lie all the time, Dem's are always 'astroturfing'... These people do not have the moral capacity to realize what is happening, and I am very worried over what the outcome might be.

 

woot!

Aug 9, 2009

Of course they're upset now. When the left did govt/the media knew it was manufactured anger - no matter how upset the kooks appeared everyone understood that it was all make believe. Now they are staring at bona fide p****d off americans and that's scary. The rhetoric and tactics are the same, but this time it's real.

 

Rick Caird

Aug 9, 2009

ajb44125@gmail.com does seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I did look at several of his links and in each case, Reynolds was pointing out people who were actively supporting the other side rather than dissenting from the war. If ajb44125@gmail.com cannot tell the difference, he belongs on the left. What was that old saying? Oh,

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

Rick

 

The Wobbly Guy

Aug 9, 2009

Come 2010, you'll find your ballot boxes stuffed with votes from the dead, immigrants, and even pets. All voting democrat, of course.

And you want to kick the bums out? Hah!

 

bflat879

Aug 9, 2009

I find it amazing that the Democrats want to look down on these protesters and call them brown shirts. As a student of history, I know what the brown shirts were and they're more akin to the SEIU thugs that beat up a protester in St. Louis.

The Democrats say Republicans have no ideas; but they won't allow their ideas to come up. Republicans have a plan to remove health insurance from an employer provided benefit and put the options to purchase health insurance into the hands of the employee. By doing this, they do 2 things, they make insurance portable and they lower the costs, since insurance companies will have to tailor their plans to individuals, complete with options. The beauty of the Republican plan, it completely changes health insurance and doesn't cost money. What could be so bad about that? No place to hide that waste, fraud, and abuse the Democrats seem to love so much.

 

pellinjf

Aug 9, 2009

sorry but this was silly & tendentious. you telegraphed your punch with the superfluous knock on ACORN (those very evil people) and it goes downhill from there. the right is transparently hypocritical about what's going on. you guys had a meltdown hissyfit of gigantic proportions when citizens criticized the iraq escapade. "treason," you screamed. but now, when organized repbulican mobs stage phoney demonstrations to interrupt meetings between congressmen and their constituents. when this guy writes that the fox-inspired teabaggers represent one of the most genuine "movements" he's ever seen - well, you either have to laugh at the author's ignorance of the facts or sadly shake your head at his blind partisanship. (now, let's see if you guys have the guts to post this comment.)

 

Dave the Phony

Aug 9, 2009

The Obama administration (or shall I say "regime") seems to handle the American people with a much harder line than they wish to handle North Korea or Iran. Maybe we need to build our own nukes and then we'll get hugs and kisses.

 

Blue Texan

Aug 9, 2009

For 7 years, Reynolds accused those protesting Bush administration policies as being "on the other side" -- traitors.

Wonder what changed?

 

Aug 9, 2009

And the Left got absolutely no media coverage, now the media is falling all over itself to popularize hateful, violent, right wing extremism.

 

Jim

Aug 9, 2009

Blue Texan,
I've read instapundit for years, I never saw anything about "traitors"? Straighten me out if we missed something.

I find it amusing that Democrats are saying "stop the protesting, let's have a reasoned debate;" when in fact they wanted NO debate, to just ram this unread, undebated 1000 page bill into law.

 

Odysseus

Aug 9, 2009

Blue Texan,

See Rick Caird's response above to ajb44125@gmail.com as it applies to you as well.

 

blogenfreude

Aug 9, 2009

Gee Glenn, I don't recall you calling the people protesting the Iraq war "patriotic" - in fact, you questioned their patriotism. How things change!

 

dicta

Aug 9, 2009

Wonderful essay, but doesn't mean spit to those pursuing raw power. The anointed know better so the ends justify any means. The anointed want single payer government controlled health care, and they will do anything to get it or to get on the road to its inevitability.

 

Brad Hanson

Aug 9, 2009

Lots of reports this morning of calm and productive discussions at the townhalls.

 

megapotamus

Aug 9, 2009

The structural changes in the electorate is what is terrifying these anti-american idiots. As Glenn observes, the vast majority of those deomonstrating today never have before. The Lefties, as well documented, ship the same gaggle of illwashed losers to the enviro parades, the anti-war stink-ins, the socialist shindigs... whatever, ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. And with this persistent effort and dedicated, Soros funded cadre they STILL can rarely ever manage to outnumber pressies who collude with these scum to inflate their apparent strength. But now, like thesis spawns anti-thesis the Obies have recruited, trained and enraged their own opposition. For an allegedly smart dude Barry sure didn't see this coming. Hah!

 

PJH

Aug 9, 2009

Right, Obama has set the uncivil tone. How many weeks was it after his election was Glenn Beck blubbering on TV about "taking the country back"? How many weeks was it that he was showing film clips of Nazi stormtroopers and saying how he was destroying the county? Threats of violence, secession talk, questioning his citizenship.

 

Brad

Aug 9, 2009

Tom - The left is not "marginalized" they're in complete control of the federal government. Would that that right were so "marginalized" after the next two election cycles.

 

newyorklenin

Aug 9, 2009

PJH,
Bush was compared to Hitler before he even took presidency. Every child in every blue metropolis knew that Bush was a monkey. Did Bush use it as an excuse to try to silence his critics? Did he tell people to "not do a lot of talking"? Did he encourage his supporters to "punch back twice as hard"?

 

Jbee

Aug 9, 2009

Tea partiers right now should focus on 3 target audiences:

1) People who have insurance now, and worry about losing it.

2) Seniors
and
3) People worried about deficit spending.

I know that sounds simple, but with the spotlight on them, this is the time to woo others to their side. MESSAGE DISCIPLINE is critical. Anyone on TV yelling about media bias...well, they're not on message.

We should have one objective now: defeat health care. Hone our points on that. Once we defeat health care the rest will follow: humiliated media, diminished Obama, etc.

But we've to to stay on message appealing to persuadable Americans.

 

StepIntoTheLight

Aug 9, 2009

Obama and his illegal czars are turning this country into the former Soviet Union, with KGB spies infiltrating peaceful protests and requesting people to snitch on "fishy" emails and stories.

What goes around comes around. If these racist, immoral, and illegal people in Washington - White House, Congress, and Sotomayor in the Supreme Court - cannot see the error in their ways...2010 elections will make it all too real when they are voted out of office.

We The People - VOTE 2010 Elections!

 

Mozo

Aug 9, 2009

Astroturfing is the highest form of patriotism!

 

John

Aug 9, 2009

Didn't Glenn Reynolds say that opposition to the Iraq war was treason?

But now, violent disruption of civil debate is patriotic. Why?

Oh, right: It's patriotic when Republicans do it. Because Democrats are evil Nazi communist baby killers.

 

jrshipley

Aug 9, 2009

I don't know where you get "bait and switch" from. Obama campaigned on creating a public health coverage option. That was, in fact, a centerpiece as I recall. Also, I don't recall the media portraying protesters as patriotic in the run-up to Iraq. Protest is great, but disrupting meetings is rude no matter which side does it.

Finally, crossing the line into threats and violence, like vandalizing cars or shoving that Minister in St. Louis, is completely unacceptable and the out-and-out lies from Palin, etc. about euthanasia are as disgusting as the left-wing rumors about Bush/Cheney building internment camps. Notably, those rumors came from the fringe and were never endorsed by any major elected Dem, with the exception perhaps of Cynthia McKinney who was ostracized by the party. The right seems much more inclined to mainstream and embrace it's conspiracy theory loons, which is why people shudder at the encouragement being given to the McVeigh types.

 

jrshipley

Aug 9, 2009

And, btw, those lefty protesters were right. There were no WMD, just like there's no plot to kill Palin's kids and no global conspiracy to fabricate climate science. But the credulous wingnuts nonetheless respond predictably when their fear buttons are pushed.

 

dadanarchist

Aug 9, 2009

"The structural changes in the electorate is what is terrifying these anti-american idiots."

This statement is true - you are just talking about the wrong people.

What terrifies the "idiots" is that the electorate has changed, structurally - dumb, white, middle class people no longer control the future of this country, and this fact terrifies dumb, white, middle class people. GWB was like manna from heaven for these morans (sic), but he was a rearguard action.

America is changing: black president, Latina supreme court justice, shifting demographics that will make less whites less than 50% of the population by 2050.

So they lash out in impotent, petulant, childlike rage, too afraid and marginalized to participate in the conversation.

That Instaputz, a supremely shallow and lazy man (look at his "blog" for Zeus' sake - "heh", "indeed"), is their model speaks volumes.

Sad really. Heh indoozle.

 

Specialist G

Aug 9, 2009

So Ol' Perfesser Corncob has decided protest IS patroitic, after he spent the previous 6 years calling anyone who suggested that Iraq wasn't a wonderful magical success a "traitor." Let's recap: Protesting a war based on lies about non-existent WMDs = treason. Shouting down anyone who tries to discuss healthcare reform that 75% of Americans believe is necessary = patriotism. I can't imagine why the GOP isn't winning more elections!

 

Specialist G

Aug 9, 2009

I guess we should be glad that the wingnuts are just throwing childish temper tantrums in town halls. It's better than their well documented affection for blowing up government buildings (McVeigh), shooting people in churches (Adkisson), murdering doctors (Roeder), killing police officers (Poplawski) or attacking Federal agents (Weaver). All of them spouted the same rightwing rhetoric we hear from the tea baggers and their enablers like a certain Perfesser of Shine Brewin' and Banjo Pickin'.

 

dadanarchist

Aug 9, 2009

Specialist G: you forgot about executing women at local-area sports clubs (Sodini).

 

plutosdad

Aug 9, 2009

"ajb44125@gmail.com
This is rich coming from a man who regularly demonized anti-war protesters as being on the side of the terrorists
"
It doesn't matter what Glen or you or I or any pundit said, the important point is Congressional Representatives are the ones engaging in this hypocrisy. They were the ones claiming "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" and they are now the ones warning us of "nazi" tactics.

The rule on the internet is the first person to bring up nazis loses. That's the rule in real life too.

 

Mike in NZ

Aug 9, 2009

Astroturfing is not community organizing, Mr Reynolds. It's 'event management' that comes top-down from organised interest groups. It's the opposite of grassroots community organising which is a bottom-up response to organised interests. You're a lawyer, you should be able to understand that. Cheers, mate.

 

24AheadDotCom

Aug 9, 2009

Reynolds has promoted constituents intimidating their representative and other angry "mobs". He even promoted someone holding up bunny ears behind a politician's back.

Let me suggest that BHO opponents who are smart and civil should follow this plan instead:

24ahead.com/s/question-authority

Reynolds should just go Galt and let the adults do the strategizing.

 

Huh?

Aug 9, 2009

Isn't this the same Reynolds that called anti-war protesters in 2004 unpatriotic?

And to earlier commenters, yes, the left was marginalized by the tactics of groups like Code Pink and a handful of 9/11 Truthers. These TEA parties and townhall protesters have about as much credibility (they're protesting taxation... after no change to the taxation, and a reduction on the way in 2010 filings? Well isn't that smart!) as Birthers and 9/11 Truthers. They are just angry about being in minority, and scared of those who are different from them. Simple people with megaphones. I don't condemn them, but I also recognize these "movements" for what they are: uneducated anger in protest form.

It'll fade, as all poorly informed populism does, but it's worth keeping an eye on it, because misguided populist outrage is the first step toward REAL fascism, not the BS fascism Fox News and Tea Baggers keep ranting about.

 

Heh Indoodle!

Aug 9, 2009

"Isn't this the same Reynolds that called anti-war protesters in 2004 unpatriotic?"

Yep. Not only that, but the Ole Perfessor accused these protesters of treason.

People remember things, Glenn.

 

Oldshooter

Aug 9, 2009

For Dave the Phony: Actually we don't need nukes. As Ted Nugent said when he made a speech for the April 15th Tea Party at the Alamo, "We are the people..and we've got guns."

 

Cris Hussein Seligman

Aug 9, 2009

Ah, professor, just because you say it's so, and try to claim the mantle of populism for your side doesn't make it so. Your side still has yet to turn out any credible numbers, and has yet to approach anything like a "mass movement" and has yet to fill any street of the nation's capitol with anything like the anti-war protests DC has seen.

Oh, yes, and there's the entire "what about 2004" question.

Methinks you're parsing things and doing your best to put us in a "pot calling kettle black" situation.

Good try.

 

Pat

Aug 9, 2009

Blue Texan,
For eight years the left told us that dissent was "the highest form of patriotism".
Wonder what changed.

 

dadanarchist

Aug 9, 2009

"the left told us that dissent was "the highest form of patriotism"."

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism; being loud, obnoxious, intolerant, ill-informed, belligerent jerks is not.

 

waldo.c1@bigpond.com

Aug 9, 2009


InstaPutz has, in the past, used every opportunity to deride, smear and belittle anyone who spoke out against the chimp regime's illegal wars, spying on American citizens and screwing the economy with tax cuts for the rich.
Now that a Republican strategy of right-wing thuggish belligerence astroturfed to defeat a health bill is unmasked, he defends it by false equivocation.
His obfuscation is detailed here: ~http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/141833/right-wing_turncoat_gives_the_inside_scoop_on_why_conservatives_are_rampaging_town_halls/?page=2

 

Charles Giacometti

Aug 9, 2009

Instarube routinely called anyone who challenged Bush's tragic rush to war in Iraq a traitor and "on the other side." Now suddenly, when Republican strategists rile up a bunch of toothless uninformed morons to act out foolishly in public settings, it is the highest form of dissent.

There is a reason why Republicans lost badly in 2006 and 2008 and will lose badly again in 2010. They are wedded to the lunatic fringe, and the best "intellects" they can find to back up their ideas are alleged "libertarians" who teach at fifth-ranked publicly-funded law schools.

And they are all too dumb enough to understand the irony in all this.

I would not be surprised at all if the Republican party fell apart completely in the coming years.

 

newyorklenin

Aug 9, 2009

Wow, what a trollfest! You kids think that if you flood the comments section, a lot of people will be persuaded? You've repeated your lies enough, but guess what? They haven't become true. Now, keep foaming at your mouth. We already know what you're about.

 

Teri

Aug 9, 2009

Interesting, isn't it, that Jack Kingston continued his sessions in the face of disagreement? He didn't use dissent (even though it was loud) as an excuse to cancel, whining that he was worried about his safety.

This current crop of liberals are the most thin-skinned politicians I've ever seen. Disagreeing with Pres. Obama does not mean someone is stupid, uninformed or, as I've heard alleged in many cases, a racist. It's simply disagreement.

 

Founding Mother

Aug 9, 2009

Yes, GR, protests are now all the rage. But, when war criminal Bush was destroying our Constitution, protests of his illegal war in Iraq was, to you, treason. You truly are a clown.

 

Morgan

Aug 10, 2009

Well, Founding Mother, Obama is doing more to destroy our Constitution than Bush ever did. Happy?

 

Phantom63

Aug 10, 2009

"America is changing [demographically]...
So they lash out in impotent, petulant, childlike rage, too afraid and marginalized to participate in the conversation."

Yes, because all dissent of left policy is inherently RACIST!(tm)
/sarcasm
Is that really the best explanation you have?

 

ERG

Aug 10, 2009

what a lying scumbag instathug is ?He was calling dissenters unpatriotic all the while during the bush administration.

 

Mark d e

Aug 10, 2009

Instathug? Instarube? Professor Corncobb?

Yet, to quote the left,

"dadanarchist

Aug 9, 2009

"the left told us that dissent was "the highest form of patriotism"."

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism; being loud, obnoxious, intolerant, ill-informed, belligerent jerks is not."

right, and a guy who calls himself anarchist is an expert on who is allowed to speak, because only the left can be "loud, obnoxious, intolerant, ill-informed, belligerent jerks".

My God, you leftwingnuts are in full scale denial aren't you?

You parody yourselves, all you need to complete the effect is a red ball clown nose and size 37 clown shoes.

a clue, when you attempt to condemn folks for being obnoxious jerks, don't be one first, and last, it kinda makes you even more hypocritical.

 

dadanarchist

Aug 10, 2009

Mark d e -

Please tell me: what about going to a town hall meeting, with the sole purpose of disrupting it and refusing to engage in dialogue other than screaming lies at the top of one's lungs, constitutes dissent?

I've seen the videos - there is nothing "dissenting" about what I saw. I called it as I saw it: loud, obnoxious, ill-informed, belligerent jerks. If you have video of health care opponents being civil, I'd love to see it. All I've seen are raucous morons screaming about things they obviously don't know anything about (euthanize the old, death panels, a Govt. "takeover" of Medicare).

So please enlighten me.

 

jdc

Aug 10, 2009

Our elected leaders have no regard for us. When the government fears you, you have liberty. When you fear the government you have tyranny. Congress has demonstrated that they want power (both parties) and couldnt care less about those who put them into office. We need to prepare for widespread voter fraud, keep an eye on Ohios Jennifer Brunner she is not to be trusted in word or deed.

 

University of Tenn. Law School Student

Aug 10, 2009

Riddle me this, you hillbilly cracker: If dissent is patriotic, why do you refuse to allow dissent on your website?

 

newyorklenin

Aug 10, 2009

dadanarchist, you really don't get it, do you? So here it is, very simple: you call people names for disagreeing with you, right here in your comments. How very civil, un-obnoxious, well-informed, and intelligent of you.

 

Aug 10, 2009

newyorklenin:

No, you don't get it.

I wasn't calling anybody in this thread obnoxious - I was referencing the videos that have been appearing across the internet of people showing up at members of congress' town hall meetings and shouting down any attempt at meaningful, productive, constructive dialogue. Dissent is great. Disagreement is great. Heated argument is great. Passionate debate is great.

Sabotaging the dialogue and shutting down the conversation is not great.

I support healthcare reform. Many people don't. I respect that, even though I think they are wrong. I won't call anyone who is interested in having a civil dialogue a moron, or obnoxious.

What I can't respect are people who have no interest in dialogue and show up to these townhall meetings with the sole intent of disrupting them. That is, quite simply, obnoxious, belligerent, stupid and undemocratic.

If you can't understand that, well, that's your problem, not mine.

 

dadanarchist

Aug 10, 2009

newyorklenin:

No, you don't get it.

I wasn't calling anybody in this thread obnoxious - I was referencing the videos that have been appearing across the internet of people showing up at members of congress' town hall meetings and shouting down any attempt at meaningful, productive, constructive dialogue. Dissent is great. Disagreement is great. Heated argument is great. Passionate debate is great.

Sabotaging the dialogue and shutting down the conversation is not great.

I support healthcare reform. Many people don't. I respect that, even though I think they are wrong. I won't call anyone who is interested in having a civil dialogue a moron, or obnoxious.

What I can't respect are people who have no interest in dialogue and show up to these townhall meetings with the sole intent of disrupting them. That is, quite simply, obnoxious, belligerent, stupid and undemocratic.

If you can't understand that, well, that's your problem, not mine.

 

dadanarchist

Aug 10, 2009

Ha ha, the Snow Queen of Mooselandia agrees with me:

"There are many disturbing details in the current bill that Washington is trying to rush through Congress, but we must stick to a discussion of the issues and not get sidetracked by tactics that can be accused of leading to intimidation or harassment," Palin wrote. "Such tactics diminish our nation’s civil discourse which we need now more than ever because the fine print in this outrageous health care proposal must be understood clearly and not get lost in conscientious voters’ passion to want to make elected officials hear what we are saying. Let’s not give the proponents of nationalized health care any reason to criticize us."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0809/Palin_urges_restraint_at_town_halls.html

Best advice she's offered in a long, long time.

 

Mrs. Polly

Aug 10, 2009

"Let’s not give the proponents of nationalized health care any reason to criticize us."

Well, a little late for the Darling of the Death Panel, and a typical quick stab of the Sarah stiletto into the wrong target. But an improvement, nevertheless. She must have been reminded that leading the villagers from Young Frankenstein wasn't likely to get her that Best President Oscar she wants so badly.

 

TXLEWIS

Aug 10, 2009

Everything I need to know about Obamacare I learned from the FACT that democrats in congress will not be under the same rules as we the people.

TXL

 

newyorklenin

Aug 10, 2009

dadanarchist: You are right, civility is great. So, you used the terms "dumb, white, middle class people" to describe whom exactly? Everybody who is white, middle class, and doesn't like Obama?

I've seen dozens of these videos. In most of them, the reform opponents are quite civil. The only two times I saw violence and intimidation, it came from a lady who works for the Dem. party, and from people in SEIU uniforms.

People are asking the government: "Do you work for us, or do we work for you?". That's what they are afraid of: total, unlimited government. The same thing some of the anti-war protesters were afraid of under Bush. They are angry at Democrats AND Republicans, and so am I. It's politicians who refuse to have constructive dialogue, not the "dumb, white, middle class people" that you and our rulers seem to despise so much.

 

fboness@excel.net

Aug 11, 2009

Steven Henn of NPR reported on a Tea party. He read his report straight from DNC talking points.

 

A Responsible American

Aug 11, 2009

Interesting. It's always clear who is a Democrat because they inevitably start out by calling names.

And then they demand civil discourse?

Priceless.

 

algie

Aug 11, 2009

Note on how to boil a frog.

When trying to boil a frog you
do not put them in hot water
like a lobster. The frog will be shocked and reflexively jump out
of the pot.

What you must do is put the frog
in cool water, and gently heat it.
By the time the frog knows it's in trouble it's too late. HE'S DEAD.


....nnnn..'o.o'..uu!u....algie
Illegitimi nOn carborundum


 

algie

Aug 11, 2009

Ode To The Right To Assemble

It's dif'runt for us
said the paid thug
We're here to disrupt
to scare and to slug

Free Speech is sweet
as long as it;s ours
But when it's yours
then the taste sours

So don't come here
asserting your "rights"
Catching our boss
like a deer in headlights

And if you persist
in these attenpts to assert
your right to assemble
you just might get hurt

You can stuff your complaints
in a full thunder mug
While our media allies
sweep them under the rug

Jack Boots and Brown Shirts
are things of the past
But The thoughts represented
just last and last

So shut up and sit down
let "DEMOCRACY" work
The way we want it
You stupid jerk

You're just here
as an unruly mob
We are the Union
doing our job



....nnnn..'o.o'..uu!u....algie
Illegitimi nOn carborundum

 

Ken

Aug 11, 2009

Your poem sucks, algie. You fail as a writer.

 

Max

Aug 11, 2009

"Shut up," Ken explained.

 

Aug 11, 2009

I hope Nancy Pelosi gets on her millionaire plane (broom?) and I hope it crashes.

That's Hope and Crash I can believe in!

 

algie

Aug 11, 2009

For Ken

Your poem s**ks, said Ken of my verse
Well stick around kid, it can get worse
When the next one, in time comes to pass
You can just bend down, and KISS MY A**

....nnnn..'o.o'..uu!u....algie
Illegitimi nOn carborundum

algie outraging the "LDLs" since 1989

nb LDL Limp Dicked Liberals

 

Max

Aug 11, 2009

Go, Algie!

 

Verchiel

Aug 11, 2009

Where are your accusations of treason, now, Glenn?

The ol' perfesser continues his object lessons in intellectual dishonesty and inconsistency.

 

IrwinB

Aug 12, 2009

Uhmmm humm.

 

Weslie

Aug 14, 2009

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration."
Hillary talking about the BUSH administration

 

Pink Pig

Sep 20, 2009

The comments here are fascinating. There's more projection going on here than in any nuthouse. I don't blame Instapundit for disallowing comments on his website.

 

Jan 11, 2010

projeksiyon

 


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