By: Timothy P. Carney
Reader Comments
JohnR22
May 15, 2009
It's a fear-mongering tactic to justify increasing tax revenues. Period. 1. The energy industry is taxed an additional $650B. 2. The industry immediately passes these costs on to consumers/business. I've read it will result in an extra $1.07/gal tax on gas, and an additonal $3,000/yr per family to heat their homes. 3. Obama will kick back a portion of the $650B to the Underclass and Lower Middle class in the form of subsidies to offset their increased energy prices. The balance of the $650B will be used for more social spending. In other words, the Upper, Upper-Middle, and Middle classes will bear the cost of Cap & Trade.
ConsDemo
May 15, 2009
It is convenient to blame this on lobbying and to some extent that is appropriate. However, that isn't the real problem. The problem is too many Americans are willing to beleive they should not pay higher prices for fossil fuels. If we want to lower fossil fuel consumption, we should be taxing it, but too many politicians pander to the public telling them they shouldn't have to pay more. Thus, you get the pressure to work out these "compromises." Once the recession is ending, the President needs to level with public about the need to increase fossil fuel costs.
ConsDemo
May 15, 2009
It is convenient to blame this on lobbying and to some extent that is appropriate. However, that isn't the real problem. The problem is too many Americans are willing to beleive they should not pay higher prices for fossil fuels. If we want to lower fossil fuel consumption, we should be taxing it, but too many politicians pander to the public telling them they shouldn't have to pay more. Thus, you get the pressure to work out these "compromises." Once the recession is ending, the President needs to level with public about the need to increase fossil fuel costs.
Bill SAnford
May 15, 2009
With Obama/Pelosi/Reid in control of the United States, we are done for. The PAC Money-givers to Democrats will get no charge, and taxpayers will fund (again) Liberal Democrat's fanciful wishes. Hope Pelosi, Reid, Waxman, Obama are happy...
fred gill
May 15, 2009
I'm beginning to wonder if this administration really believes in human-caused global warming. Like so much they do, there's a certain Potemkinesque quality about the climate change bill. At the end of the day Obama can say he did something and - far more importantly - become liege lord to another powerful special interest group. This is Chicago-style governance in it's classic form. The Age of Thugocracy approaches.
ster
May 15, 2009
ConsDemo: Perhaps you should step up to the plate! The next time you fill your gas take, take an extra $20 and mail it to the government taht day. Really. If it's so important, why wait for a law change? Hmmm? No? Do you not like paying more than you have to? I thought so.
OttoDog
May 15, 2009
To ConsDemo- You reaaly believe Obama will finally "level" with the taxpayer after the recession's over? Why, when he can continue to pocket their hard-earned money and use it to buy even more political clout for him and his cronies in D.C.? That's been B.O.'s M.O. so far, and, since he's getting away with it, there's no incentive for him to "Change".
OttoDog
May 15, 2009
To ConsDemo- You reaaly believe Obama will finally "level" with the taxpayer after the recession's over? Why, when he can continue to pocket their hard-earned money and use it to buy even more political clout for him and his cronies in D.C.? That's been B.O.'s M.O. so far, and, since he's getting away with it, there's no incentive for him to "Change".
Thunderlump
May 15, 2009
Whaaa? porkfest nooooo they wouldn't do that...Hope'n Change are here isn't the country so much nicer now?
Thunderlump
May 15, 2009
Whaaa? porkfest nooooo they wouldn't do that...Hope'n Change are here isn't the country so much nicer now?
John Fayssoux
May 15, 2009
Cap and Trade should be change to I did not raise your taxes but I increased federal revenue and transferred wealth. Only 1/3 of the revenue goes to grren energy development, 1/3 is wealth transfer, and the other 1/3 is to what ever Congress wants to do with it. Also, do we need to tamper with Mother Nature when NASA within the last month released a report that says that 45% of the recent global warming was caused by our implimentation of the Acid Rain Cap and Trade legislation. It turns out that the SOx aerosols were actual helping to keep the temperature lower. So based on this do we even need to think about capping CO2 until we better understand the science ?
May 15, 2009
Just an fyi...CO2 is in our soil(naturally). Better be careful gardeners they will be coming after you! Did you ever notice the root word of soil is...OIL. Go figure.
Orangedog
May 15, 2009
Day 117 (or whatever day it is )of the destruction of the United States of America...I wonder what will be left of this country after 4 years of the Marxist thugs' called the US government. Thanks Obama Zombies - the only thing you people know about anything are two words hope and change...and as long as you hear those you're on board...
Hawk Of May
May 15, 2009
Here is an excellent chance for the Republicans to provide a viable alternative to the Democrats current cap and trade plans. Congress loves the cap and trade system because it allows them to set up who will be the winners and who will be the losers. Have a political favor you need to repay? Simple enough to hide a perk in the overly complicated cap and trade system to repay that favor. Now having said that Anthropomorphic Global Warming is real and many core Republicans are behind the knowledge curve on this one. The Republicans would embrace a carbon tax and then refund that money directly to the tax payer, i.e., create truly revenue neutral system. This would allow them to claim the high ground on many different issues. It would bring to mind Theodore Roosevelt's legacy on the environment.
Nestor
May 15, 2009
ConsDemo, but we don't want lower demand, we want greater supply!
Nestor
May 15, 2009
ConsDemo, but we don't want lower demand, we want greater supply!
Nestor
May 15, 2009
Hawk of May, if every single american quit driving, how would that affect the so called "Anthropomorphic Global Warming"? It wouldn't. We are "cotributing" very little, if anything to "climate change". This whole "global warming" scare is about wealth redistribution and nothing else. Why else were China and India exempt from the Kyoto Treaty?
Nestor
May 15, 2009
Hawk of May, if every single american quit driving, how would that affect the so called "Anthropomorphic Global Warming"? It wouldn't. We are "cotributing" very little, if anything to "climate change". This whole "global warming" scare is about wealth redistribution and nothing else. Why else were China and India exempt from the Kyoto Treaty?
Wayne
May 15, 2009
Why not let American oil companies recover oil & natural gas from our own reserves to get us off of foreign oil without allowing any of our oil to be exported. Once we have the foreign oil out of the equation we can beef up research for economical alternative fuels to drive our vehicles. Maybe in the mean time the environmentalists can come up with an economical alternative fuel vehicle that can pull a load. An electric smart car that you can squeeze 2 people into & has a range of 40 miles before recharge will not pull or carry any load for 600 to 1000 miles per day.
Wayne
May 15, 2009
Why not let American oil companies recover oil & natural gas from our own reserves to get us off of foreign oil without allowing any of our oil to be exported. Once we have the foreign oil out of the equation we can beef up research for economical alternative fuels to drive our vehicles. Maybe in the mean time the environmentalists can come up with an economical alternative fuel vehicle that can pull a load. An electric smart car that you can squeeze 2 people into & has a range of 40 miles before recharge will not pull or carry any load for 600 to 1000 miles per day.
Chuck
May 16, 2009
I noticed "Hawk of May" suggested the Republicans should "...embrace a carbon tax and then refund that money directly to the tax payer", indicating this would be a truly "revenue neutral system". So I guess the government taxes my electric company so that I pay, let's say for argument's sake, $700 more a year for the same amount of electricity, produced by emitting the same amount of CO2. Then the government gives me back my $700, so everybody's even. First of all, yeah, sure. Everybody knows you can process $700 dollars through the federal government without any getting "lost". Secondly, how does that save on CO2 emmissions??? The electric company just makes more revenue, and the same amount of profit without reducing their emissons one iota, and while I pay more for my electricity, I don't have to conserve at all because I'm getting the rebate. You may need to think that one through juuuuuuussst a bit more.
Chuck
May 16, 2009
I noticed "Hawk of May" suggested the Republicans should "...embrace a carbon tax and then refund that money directly to the tax payer", indicating this would be a truly "revenue neutral system". So I guess the government taxes my electric company so that I pay, let's say for argument's sake, $700 more a year for the same amount of electricity, produced by emitting the same amount of CO2. Then the government gives me back my $700, so everybody's even. First of all, yeah, sure. Everybody knows you can process $700 dollars through the federal government without any getting "lost". Secondly, how does that save on CO2 emmissions??? The electric company just makes more revenue, and the same amount of profit without reducing their emissons one iota, and while I pay more for my electricity, I don't have to conserve at all because I'm getting the rebate. You may need to think that one through juuuuuuussst a bit more.
Scared S#@T%^!!
May 16, 2009
This is a huge, astounding, enormous $650B annual tax on everyone to pay for Obama's welfare focused Budgets. But where's he going to get the trillions more to pay for the CBO projected $9.3T deficits over the next 10 years?!!! I can't understand how social democrats ignore the math. Oh yeah, they went to their own unionized public schools and majored in liberal arts.
Scared S#@T%^!!
May 16, 2009
China without dispute now has the largest carbon footprint and it will dwarf all other countries as its dependence on coal-powered electricity expands according to Eco. Paul Krugman. Yet it resolutely refuses to change this unsustainable policy of willful pollution. Whatever we do in the West will be wiped out by China, India and Asia in general - and Social Democrats know this. So why pursue pea-shooting strategy like Cap-n-Trade? Follow the money!!!!
Bob R Geologist
May 16, 2009
Science should oppose this bill because it has no scientific legitimacy. Carbon dioxide is NOT a problem in controling weather. Only in the fevered brains of rabid environmentalists does that idea exist. Our politicians love it because it exist as a gun to be held at the backs of unsuspecting taxpayers. It is really legitimized robbery by Gov't
Bob R Geologist
May 16, 2009
Science should oppose this bill because it has no scientific legitimacy. Carbon dioxide is NOT a problem in controling weather. Only in the fevered brains of rabid environmentalists does that idea exist. Our politicians love it because it exist as a gun to be held at the backs of unsuspecting taxpayers. It is really legitimized robbery by Gov't
sectionhand
May 17, 2009
Since the taxpayers foot the bill for these "credits" the government is creating out of thin air , we will all become , under Waxman's plan , nothing more than "Sharecroppers" for the Federal Government in the new "Green Economy".
sectionhand
May 17, 2009
Since the taxpayers foot the bill for these "credits" the government is creating out of thin air , we will all become , under Waxman's plan , nothing more than "Sharecroppers" for the Federal Government in the new "Green Economy".
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