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Dems undermine free speech in hate crimes ploy

By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
October 13, 2009

(AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)

What does a hate crimes bill have to do with money for U.S. troops fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Nothing, except that the National Defense Authorization Act, which will win final passage in Congress and be sent to the president's desk this week, also contains the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which Democrats placed inside the defense measure over Republican objections.

The crime bill -- which would broaden the protected classes for hate crimes to include sexual orientation and "gender identity," which the bill defines as a victim's "actual or perceived gender-related characteristics" -- passed the House earlier this year as a stand-alone measure. But it's never had the votes to succeed by itself in the Senate. So over the summer Democrats, with the power of their 60-vote majority, attached it to the defense bill.

Republicans argued that the two measures had nothing to do with each other. Beyond that, GOP lawmakers feared the new bill could infringe on First Amendment rights in the name of preventing broadly defined hate crimes. The bill's critics, including many civil libertarians, argued that the hate crimes provision could chill freedom of speech by empowering federal authorities to accuse people of inciting hate crimes, even if the speech in question was not specifically related to a crime.

Republican Sen. Sam Brownback offered an amendment saying the bill could not be "construed or applied in a manner that infringes on any rights under the First Amendment" and could not place any burden on the exercise of First Amendment rights "if such exercise of religion, speech, expression, or association was not intended to plan or prepare for an act of physical violence or incite an imminent act of physical violence against another."

The Senate passed Brownback's amendment. After that, several Republicans, their fears allayed, voted for the whole defense/hate crimes package, which passed the Senate last July.

Meanwhile, on the House side, representatives passed their own version of the defense authorization bill, which did not contain the hate crimes measure.

Then it was time for the House and Senate bills to go to a conference committee, where the differences between them would be ironed out. That's where the real action began.

First, the committee -- controlled by majority Democrats, of course -- inserted the hate crimes measure into the House bill, where it had not been before. Then lawmakers made some crucial changes to Brownback's amendment. Where Brownback had insisted, and the full Senate had agreed, that the bill could not burden the exercise of First Amendment rights, the conference changed the wording to read that the bill could not burden the exercise of First Amendment rights "unless the government demonstrates ... a compelling governmental interest" to do otherwise.

That means your First Amendment rights are protected -- unless they're not.

The bill was finished. (To see the final conference-approved bill, see here; the hate crimes section begins on page 1,471 of the pdf.) When it was returned to the House last week for final passage, there was just one vote; lawmakers could either vote for the whole package or against it. They could vote to fund the troops, which would also mean voting for the hate crimes bill, or they could vote against the hate crimes provision, which would also mean voting against funding the troops.

At decision time, 131 of the Republicans most opposed to the hate crimes measure voted against the whole bill. Their vote "against the troops" will no doubt be used against them in next year's campaign, which was of course the Democratic plan all along. The bill passed anyway, with overwhelming Democratic support.

Now it's the Senate's turn. Like the House, there will be just one vote. Although some Republicans will balk, the bill will be passed there, too, with big Democratic support.

In the past, Democrats knew they couldn't get away with a trick like stuffing a hate crimes bill into a defense measure because there was a Republican president to threaten a veto. But now, President Obama says he'll proudly approve the improbable combination of national defense and hate crimes.

"I will sign it into law," the president told a cheering crowd at the gay activist group Human Rights Campaign on Saturday. "Together we will have moved closer to that day when no one has to be afraid to be gay in America."

Actually, we will have moved closer to that day when lawmakers use stealthy, behind-closed-doors maneuvers to chip away at fundamental constitutional rights. Ask Republicans how it happened, and they say simply, "Elections have consequences." They're right.

Byron York, The Examiner's chief political correspondent, can be contacted at byork@washingtonexaminer.com. His column appears on Tuesday and Friday, and his stories and blog posts appears on www.ExaminerPolitics.com ExaminerPolitics.com.



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dan

Oct 12, 2009

america, it is time, to remove obama from office, yes remove him, americans, need to put this disgusting piece of crap on trial, we have the legal right to remove a president who is comitting treason . he is a fake, who was put into office by a shadow govt. mr obama you are a disgrace to the presidency, and listen here, stop threats to americans who oppose you, take this as a promise, if you pass this health bill, america will take you to every court in this country, all the way to the supreme court,2010 is over for pelosi, reid, gay boy frank, all you losers will go down in history as the worst president in american history, don,t tread on me!!!

 

Dennis Kolb Sr.

Oct 13, 2009

They ALL have to GO!!!!Replace them with Honorable American's!!

 

Storykeeper

Oct 13, 2009

We best be careful to read the final bill. I would not be surprised that the Dems added themselves and environmental wackos to the named 'protected classes' in the hate crime bill. that way anyone who points out their apparent inadequacies can be arrested, tried and imprisoned, with prejudice. This becomes all the more reasonable to believe if you consider that they would also apply that they, the dems and environuts (Al Gore), qualify under the American's with Disabilities Act in as much as they are demonstrably mentally handicapped and any ridicule could be interpreted as just plain mean.

 

Jonathan

Oct 13, 2009

Not so far fetched, is it? Did not a sitting President push Congress to pass 2 laws making public and private discussions of not entering a war punishable by jail time and a fine? Guess what: it was NOT President George W. Bush. President Woodrow Wilson did this to quell "treason" and "sedition" on the US entrance into WWI.

 

elephant4life

Oct 13, 2009

What part of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech...." don't they understand? By it's very existence, this so-called law is unconstitutional, regardless of how many bogus disclaimers they put into it, and regardless of any BS "compelling government interest". There is no such thing when it comes to the First Amendment. If I want to show how boorish I am and call some gay or black person a nasty name, I should be allowed to do so without fear of some politically correct unconstitutional crap being used to throw me in jail.

 

elephant4life

Oct 13, 2009

Also, what part of "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution" don't they comprehend?

 

Oct 13, 2009

Commies in office = commies make laws.

 

Tom

Oct 13, 2009

An open letter to ALL SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES.......remember, we voted you into office, we WILL vote you out!!

 

Pat

Oct 13, 2009

elephant4life

Perhaps you should learn a little constitutional law. Contrary to the language of the First Amendment, not even the most hardcore conservative Justice would advocate that the right to free speech is absolute. In fact, only one Justice ever has in any formal opinion (throughout our entire history). Also-- the compelling interest test goes along with the constitutional strict scrutiny analysis... which is already used in several First Amendment contexts (as well as equal protection, due process, etc).

Whether or not you agree with this bill... the comments here show great ignorance. Obama is your president, voted in by one of the largest majorities in over 20 years. Dissent, but don't act like he isnt legitimate. ALso-- learn about your Constitution before you mock others.

 

Mike Konkel

Oct 13, 2009

So what is the big deal. I can tell homosexuals how nice they are. How deserving they are of all of our love and how great they are for America with all of the diverse ways....and then they will burn in hell anyway....so why should I waste my time?

 

ladybug

Oct 13, 2009

Re: Pat's insistence that Obama was elected by "one of the largest majorities..." please keep in mind that the large majority was an electoral vote count, not a popular vote count, which he won by a much closer count.

He is our duly elected President, but he's not our ruler. He needs to show respect for our consititution and bill of rights and not embrace assaults on our civil liberties. Interesting that for a constitutional attorney that he doesn't understand that nuance.

 

depaz

Oct 13, 2009

Personally, I think ALL "hate" crime language should be eliminated. We already have laws on the books re: murder, physical attacks, etc. We should simply enforce them. If we would just stop treating victims as criminals and start treating criminals as criminals instead of poor, misunderstood victims of their pathetic childhoods, the need for hate crime legislation would disappear.

 

bobc

Oct 13, 2009

You want to fund our soldiers? Then do it..stop attaching others bills to this!

Our Progressives are tearing this country apart, and you true Democrats don't get rid of them, we will...2010!

 

recycled

Oct 13, 2009

Where were all you people when Cheney/Bush gutted the Bill of Rights?

You should be more concerned about the 'Patriot' Act.

 

Ster

Oct 13, 2009

Hate crimes laws are unconstitutional. The constitution states that the law must be applied to everyone equally (Equal Protection clause).

A hate crime law does not do this.

And we have legislatures who vote for this, and against the constitution.

God help us.

 

Oct 13, 2009

This is a stealth move to put churches under the thumb of the government. Watch as pastors who gently call for repentance from worshipping false gods and engaging in sexual sin are prosecuted for inadvertantly inciting hate crimes against gays and muslims.

How long before Bible publishers are prosecuted and shut down for printing that men laying with men are an abomination before God, or that a man who wears women's clothes should be put to death.

Prepare yourself for the coming tribulations.

 

Hope

Oct 13, 2009

Dan:

If you remove President Obama from office, Joe Bidden will become president. NOOOOO!

 

Brendan

Oct 13, 2009

I believe the hate crimes bill is unconstitutional. Hopefully, the Supreme Court will too.

 

Briareos

Oct 13, 2009

Anyone know a link to a copy of the bill with the compelling government interest language in it?

 

Pat

Oct 13, 2009

Ladybug. I agree with you (in a weird way). Notably, I (like you) believe that we should not support a President's policies that we believe violates the Constitution. I do not, however, like arguments which state that President Obama is not our legitimate president. He clearly is.

I happen to personally support hate crimes legislation... and I don't believe it is an attack on our civil liberties. In my view, it furthers the promise of equal protection. The opposite side also has a compelling argument though. Agree to Disagree.

I think Bush/Cheney completely cast aside the Constitution, especially when they tried to claim that there were no habeas corpus rights for US Citizens (which the Supreme Court struck down). Scalia even joined Stevens in dissenting that a US Citizen should have MORE rights than the plurality allowed.

Still. My point is that Obama is our President. Disagree with his policies but not his legitimacy.

 

hankdennemann

Oct 13, 2009

While I agree with the author's sentiment, this is much ado about nothing. First, constitutional jurisprudence operates whether Congress says so or not--so neither the Brownback amendment or the Democrats' revision ultimately means anything. Second, free speech rights are always subject to restriction by the government for "compelling government interests." It's why you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. So, the Democrats' revision isn't out of line (since it just reiterates what the law is already), and even if it were--it wouldn't matter. Constitutionality isn't decided by Congress, no matter how hard it is for them to accept it.

 

Rick

Oct 13, 2009

What a bunch of idiots. Some basci points: 1) Congress attached controversial amendments to more popular bills all the time in the hopes that they will pass---just ask Sen. Tom Coburn how he got an amendment passed that would make it legal to carry guns in National Parks by attaching it to a credit card reform bill. 2) If hate crimes bills are unconstitutional, then ALL hate crimes laws should be unconsititutional, including those that are based on religion. 3) Barack Obama is our president---get over it. While you may not agree with his policies, he has done nothing impeachable, unlike our last President, who treated the US Constitution like it was a piece of two=-ply toilet paper.

 

Blake

Oct 13, 2009

I'm just scared that as Fox News Republicans drift off into obscurity as the years go by, that they will become the extremists that we see in other countries that the Republicans are so eager to fight now. Hypocrite much?

 

Policestate Cowboy

Oct 13, 2009

In all reality we are allowing our senators and representatives to engage in what is essentially treason against the constitution. They believe we should have barcodes containing our medical history on our drivers licensce, they believe we should have (yes I know you hate it but it's true...) Socialised medicine shoved down our throats in the midst of a massive recession, they came on the news and told us they believe the recession is over, they believe you don't know what is right for you but that they do. Our first amendment is under attack. Your only arguement is but george bush tried to do it first! So basically what your saying is that because bush tried to subvert the constitution, Obama should be allowed to? Please explain the logic behind that. To every remaining patriot out there, today is "punch an idiot liberal in the face" day. I honestly don't know how we got to the point where 50% of the country is actively cheering the death of freedom.

 

TimL

Oct 13, 2009

America it is time for you to stop being such sore F'ing losers.

Answer me this:

Why is it every time a Republican president sits in office the Rich get richer and the poor get poorer and the economy as a whole crumbles?

I am not a Democrat and am very socially a conservative. I am also a very logical thinker. And logically listening to the Moron's in the Republican party speak their poorly thought out plans and regurgitate ridiculous one-liners makes my head ache.

When did the Republican party become the party of Morons?

 

Maven

Oct 13, 2009

There's nothing that upsets Republicans quite so much as the idea that Hate Speech might be made illegal. I guess I understand it, since they'd then be left with absolutely nothing to say.

 

K2

Oct 13, 2009

Policestate Cowboy, that paragraph contains so much fail, it's got to be a record. "Barcodes containing our medical history on our drivers licensce"! The ignorance is massive. Also, why is it you cranks never use a spell-checker?

 

Speak Now

Oct 13, 2009

I believe that "hate speech" should be perfectly legal. And I have endured it personally. We would do a whole bunch of good for ourselves by learning not to care what other people say. Freedom of speech is a precious thing. It shouldn't be controlled by the whims of one party or another.

 

JamesJ

Oct 13, 2009

Recycled, which bill of rights did Bush break?

 

Dr. Robotnik

Oct 13, 2009

recycled said:
"Where were all you people when Cheney/Bush gutted the Bill of Rights?
You should be more concerned about the 'Patriot' Act."

Back this up with facts and examples (links will do) and I'll listen to you.

 

Rhonda

Oct 13, 2009

If they read the bills they signed, others wouldn't be able to sneak things into it. Too Simple, I know.

 

jaimo

Oct 13, 2009

TimL:
I could ask you the same thing about your Democratic Party, Troll.

 

olddog3006

Oct 13, 2009

I guess we'll just have to go back to "sticks & stones".

 

Troy Riser

Oct 13, 2009

I saw this coming--as did anyone anywhere who recognizes hate crimes legislation for what it is: a means to stifle and threaten into silence opposition voices. Watch as the definition of 'hate speech' becomes more broadly interpreted over time. We lose our liberty by slow-inch increments and if we say nothing, do nothing, we deserve perpetual serfdom and submission to the State, proving beyond doubt the American experiment in individual freedom is an anomaly, a soon-to-be-corrected historical aberration. Evidently, the majority of people want to be told what to do, what to think, what to say and how to say it. To which I say, 'Hell with that.'

 

TIRED OF THE LIES

Oct 13, 2009

Marvin, hate speech from Republicans? Are you kidding? Take a few moments to look at the different blog sites, both dems and republicans and then see if with a straight face it is the republicans that are spewing hatred. The dems even have Chris Matthews calling for the death of Rush. We hear constantly that if we disagree with liberal polices we are hate mongers. We hear if we do not like the ones policies we are bigots. Personally, I hung a tea bag on the rear view mirror of my can and some peace loving individual kicked a nice big dent in my car. Would you care to tell me more about who has discussions and who closes their mind to opposing views?

 

Policestate Cowboy

Oct 13, 2009

Why should i concern myself with proper grammer in a comments forum? If you want to hear about the bar codes turn on msn. Fail!!! i failed to impress someone who is willfully ignorant, god save me.. FAIL!! I fail.

 

INTJ

Oct 13, 2009

Am I the only one who sees the irony in the President saying "Together we will have moved closer to that day when no one has to be afraid to be gay in America," while simultaneously maintaining the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy he vowed to end?

 

Fabric Softener Kills

Oct 13, 2009

Great - now we can move closer to the day when 100% of Hollywood is gay instead of just 97%. Now we can move closer to the day when the gay agenda in the media is exagerrated by 7 Million percent instead of just 7 Thousand percent.

 

The Essene

Oct 13, 2009

I believe that you will find that under our constitutional system that no bill can limit our constitutional free speech rights, thus mooting this entire column.

 

David48

Oct 13, 2009

I am glad the Hate Crimes Bill finally protect the LGTB American Citizens. What I don't understand is why we have to keep listing every type of group in America to protect from discrimination?

 

Oct 13, 2009

If Republicans could learn to accept the LGTB American Citizens as equal, they would not have such trouble in Congress and the Senate.

 

JiangxiDad

Oct 13, 2009

Before the country shuts down, either through failure or revolution, or military takeover, the Courts will hopefully have their say on the Obama revolution. Here's one of many things they'll have to undo, or else.

 

david48

Oct 13, 2009

I know many Republicans who do not have an issue with LGTB American Citizens. The trouble is when they elect a Republicans to office who is biased and predjudiced toward LGTB American Citizens.

 

JiangxiDad

Oct 13, 2009

I suspect the banter will be pretty salty in the re-education camps. See you there.

 

Adam

Oct 13, 2009

This was a sneaky, back handed manouver on the part of the Democrats. This creates an extra-protected class of citizens and subjects all of us to double jeopardy - http://www.watercoolerweekly.com

 

David48

Oct 13, 2009

I am glad the LGBT American citizens will soon be able to be out in the military. It will make America shine brighter in the worlds view as a free society, that treats its citizens with equality and respects their human rights.

 

David48

Oct 13, 2009

It really is a shame, the amount of time the Republicans spend on repressing LGTB American Citizens, wasting precious tax payer dollars!!!!

 

GBorch

Oct 13, 2009

Mr. York WHINES and COMPLAINS about the Dems inserting a hate crime provision into an unrelated defense authorization act.

Can you, Mr. York, tell me how many times the Republicans have stuck anti-abortion and/or pro-gun provisions into bills that were completely UNRELATED???!!! Probably not because, like most people, you and I have LOST COUNT.

Republicans make it standard operating procedure in Congress to insert such provisions into bill to advance their right-wing agenda. Mr. York, did you EVER complain about these tactics by the right? Of course not!!!!!

Mr. York, call you spell the word HYPOCRITE????!!!!

 

TIRED OF THE LIES

Oct 13, 2009

Wasn’t there a campaign promise from The One Liar about not letting this kind of thing happen? Of course there was suppose to be an open government but what do we now have?
You dems really like playing the Bush card; it is as used up as the race card. Remember, the dems will not stay in power and you will have no right to complain with right wing “THUGS” in czar positions. You are allowing this crap right now without accountability, I know I said you will have no right to complain but of course you will.
I do find it truly amazing how blind and stupid some folks can be when it comes to what letter is in front of the politician’s name. They get played like a puppet and sing praises to their controllers. Ask yourselves if you dare, If a republican controlled congress and president tried shoving these things down our throat, would I be defending it?
The people are waking up, our elected officials work for us, they do not rule us, please quit allowing a ruling class.

 

scott63

Oct 13, 2009

People on the left just dont understand human nature at all, they cry non stop about how if America were just a kinder gentler nation we would not have so many people around the world hating us, even the jihadist would lay down there weapons and embrace us as friends, what they fail to understand is that the people who hate us and wish for our destruction the most (muslim extremist) dont hate us because we are mean or arrogant but because the see us as decadent and ungodly, abominations before Allah, and the lefts embrace of homosexuallity as right and good brings home to them all the proof they need.

 

Dan

Oct 13, 2009

TimL, if you actually believe the crap you spew then whatever party you are in is a little more moronic.

 

Ralph

Oct 13, 2009

So much vitriol, and so much hatred. It's disgusting, really.

People complaining about hate speech laws? Really? What has this world come to? "We're going to take a step forward in civil rights." "No no no! We mustn't! It's illegal to drag us out of the hateful holes we've dug!"

Seriously, so many of the commenting parties need to lay off the Fox News... I mean Fox Editorials. Take a First Amendment course at your local community college - you'll learn that this is doing far less to your rights than you think.

 

Annie

Oct 13, 2009

..."Why is it every time a Republican president sits in office the Rich get richer and the poor get poorer and the economy as a whole crumbles?"....


Really? For most of Bush's term, unemployment was at record lows.

How is that unemployment now? How many have lost their jobs due to 'The Wons' policies.

Bush left us with half a trillion dollar deficit, which was bad enough. Barry quadruples it.

Shall I go on? Shall we look back in history to FDR prolonging the depression or Carter telling us to just wear sweaters.

 

Addison

Oct 13, 2009

And a little addition: Remember a few years ago when 5 conservative Supreme Court Justices (all of whom were appointed by either Reagan, W. or H.W. Bush) ruled in favor of censoring Joseph Frederick in a case regarding his "Bong Hits For Jesus" sign, which he was suspended for while displaying at the 2002 Olympic Torch Relay. some argue that the sign promoted drug use promoted drug use during a school supervised activity, while others (including Frederick and myself) argue that it was speech protected under the First Amendment that was punished because it didn't conform to the viewpoints of those doing the punishing. No matter what side you take, though, you can easily see that the sign was not violent and in no way incited violence, and yet the BURDEN placed on Frederick's First Amendment rights was UPHELD by the Supreme Court... and by CONSERVATIVE JUSTICES no less! Not democrats. Conservatives. There are two sides to every coin.

 

Addison

Oct 13, 2009

IT's A SHAME THAT BYRON YORK is the Chief Political Correspondent for anything or anybody, considering that his quote "unless the government demonstrates ... a compelling governmental interest", which is obviously chopped (look at the ellipses. The "..." means something has been taken out of that quote) , is taken completely out of context, thus rendering his entire article, and argument for that matter COMPLETELY VOID. Don't take my word for it; click on his link (here's the address, if you don't want to scroll back up: http://www.rules.house.gov/111/LegText/111_hr2647cr_txt.pdf ) and look for yourself on pages 1366-1368 (NOT Pg. 1471).

 

Addison

Oct 13, 2009

Scroll almost all the way to the bottom. After the financial data, the page numbers will pick back up where they left off. Here, you will see that there are actual sections that restrict this new bill in a HUGE way ONe section reads WORD FOR WORD, "(5) FIRST AMENDMENT.—Nothing in this division, or an amendment made by this division, shall be construed to diminish any rights under the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States." Here's another COMPLETE section of the bill: "(4)FREE EXPRESSION.—Nothing in this division shall be construed to allow prosecution based solely upon an individual’s expression of racial, religious, political, or other beliefs or solely upon an individual’s membership in a group advocating or espousing such beliefs."

 

Addison

Oct 13, 2009

And here's the quote that Mr. York so conveniently construed: "(3) CONSTRUCTION AND APPLICATION.—Nothing in this division, or an amendment made by this division, shall be construed or applied in a manner that infringes any rights under the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Nor shall anything in this division, or an amendment made by this division, be construed or applied in a manner that substantially burdens a person’s exercise of religion (regardless of whether compelled by, or central to, a system of religious belief), speech, expression, or association, unless the Government demonstrates that application of the burden to the person is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest and is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest, if such exercise of religion, speech, expression, or association was not intended to—

 

Addison

Oct 13, 2009

(A) plan or prepare for an act of physical violence; or
(B) incite an imminent act of physical violence against another."

In other words, the burden is on the government to demonstrate (PROVE) that not only is there a compelling government interest, but that the measure they are taking is the LEAST RESTRICTIVE measure possible. Not only that, sections 4, 5, and 6 (as I've shown above) specifically say that this bill cannot be construed in a way that infringes on our first amendment rights... What else should they say? "We promise"? And let's not pretend that President Bush didn't burden us based on a compelling government interest. Can you say "Patriot Act?"

 

Addison

Oct 13, 2009

Some days it feels like our citizens are trapped in a George Orwell novel. If we're not constantly being exposed to the events of our past, we forget that they ever happened. Even if we were there when something occurred, as soon as tomorrow comes around and somebody we agree with says it didn't, we erase it from our mind. So keep blaiming everything on the Democrats, but remember that your homeboys, the Repubs, have infringed on your rights in the exact same way you're trying to claim this current administration is, if not in more atrocious ways in our recent history.

 

Addison

Oct 13, 2009

But back to my main point: in case you think the constitution protects your incitement of violence,

"The Constitution ofthe United States does not protect speech, conduct or activities consisting of PLANNING FOR, CONSPIRING TO COMMIT, or COMMITTING AN ACT OF VIOLENCE." (Pg 1368, lines 10-14) -- Even your Republican Congressmen will agree with that one.

That's some good reporting there Lou.
Next time, try being an actual journalist, and not a Right Wing Fear Monger.

 

jimbobubbadj

Oct 13, 2009

I am gay. I cannot discriminate against Conservative churches but yet they can discriminate against me. Sexual orientation and gender identity should be added too or allow complete discrimination in the private sector. Government should never be allowed to discriminate in any circumstance.

 

Troy Riser

Oct 13, 2009

You're being disingenuous, jimbobubbadj. Christian churches don't discriminate against you. Many of them preach against your particular lifestyle choice, as they preach against any action held to be a religious sin. But that is their choice, their exercise of religious freedom. Truth is, you're asking the rest of us to set gay people apart and pretend those with a same-gender sexual preference are a persecuted minority. You may be a minority, but you are certainly not persecuted. Have sex with whatever consenting adult agrees. We don't care. Just don't ask us to pretend your personal choices are deserving of legal and political considerations and protections aside from those rights enjoyed by other citizens. They aren't. You aren't.

 

Truth

Oct 14, 2009

God told us that its and abomination for a man to lay with another man and when He returns you will see what He means,All you Gays and Lesbians should turn from your perverse ways and ask God for His forgiveness.

 

Troy Riser

Oct 14, 2009

If I was a suspicious sort, I might think 'Truth's' statement above, loaded with glaringly obvious grammatical errors, is yet another example of an astroturfing proponent of hate speech legislation attempting to portray religiously minded opponents as ignorant and illiterate. But hey, that's just me.

 

Troy Riser

Oct 14, 2009

Is anyone on the Left capable of arguing an issue on its merits without resorting to underhanded tactics such as astroturfing or false documentation? I'm no big fan of Rush Limbaugh, for example, but manufacturing nonexistent racist statements by Limbaugh is a good case in point. Can any of you engage in reasoned debate, or have you forgotten how? Hint: you're hanging out with like-minded friends too much. Try finding a conservative. Argue your position. Truth will out.

 

laura

Oct 14, 2009

The individuals who stated they have power to overthrow the Constitution and our FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS because they are interested in doing so - need to be tried, prosecuted, convicted, and HUNG for treason. They have just effected the dissolution of the union of free states. Revolution is DEMANDED. They've thrown out the First Amendment on their "say so". We no longer have a Union. We have tyrants the same as we defected from England to reject.

These people deserve trial and hanging in a court of law.

 

kalonq

Oct 14, 2009

I doubt that anyone alive has never been angry enough to say to another "I hate you" or "I will kill you" or something equally hateful. It was the result of anger or disappointment caused by another person. Why do we have to define "hate speech"?
Hate crimes should be prosecuted because they are crimes; but no speech is criminal, according to the Constitution, unless it is inciting criminal activity. I ask again, why do we have to define "hate speech"? Who cares what anyone else says? Quit crying about what is said about you! It is only speech! Either you agree with that speech or you do not agree with that speech. Nothing more is necessary! The End

 

Sligunner

Oct 14, 2009

The politically correct madness of this hate crimes legislation will only become apparent when more of this garbage is foisted on the people . . . check out the European Union and see where the new USSA (the United Soviet States of America) is headed under Comrade Obama and his politburo

 

Jenney

Oct 14, 2009

Will it also become a crime if someone gives a homosexual person a dirty look? Whre is it going to stop. Dems would've cut funding to the troops unless troops got more rights taken away. Shameful.

 

Jenney

Oct 14, 2009

@addison: "The Constitution ofthe United States does not protect speech, conduct or activities consisting of PLANNING FOR, CONSPIRING TO COMMIT, or COMMITTING AN ACT OF VIOLENCE." (Pg 1368, lines 10-14) -- Even your Republican Congressmen will agree with that one.
My Reply: Calling someone a name is not PLANNING or CONSPIRING to commit a crime. Getting in a fight with someone because he comes on to you shouldn't be categorized as Conspiring to commit a crime either. Sounds like gays will have more laws protecting them than the straight guys.

 

Lisa

Oct 14, 2009

Dear Dan, ( the first comment made) Amen, sir, you are absolutely correct on all accounts. Worst President in history that should be removed.

 

Paul

Oct 14, 2009

Does this mean the $20 million John Kerry tried to sneak into the Defense Bill as well for a Ted Kennedy monument was removed as well?

Man, these politicians become bigger, bureaucratic t urds the longer they're in office..

 

zionist stopper

Oct 14, 2009

This bill isnt about the gays. when the american people figure out it is he american isreali contingent and criticize the chosen people for the bank and congressional theft they will be charged with a crime. the gays are not a threat, it is a redherring..

 

OBAMAforLIFE

Oct 14, 2009

Wow. Well as long as we still have our first amendment rights, don't complain when I say that there is no god, gays are going to spread their antics to your children whether you like it or not, drugs are going to become legal and your kids are going to get hooked, and we are finally headed to the closest thing to heaven you will ever know- SOCIALISM!!!

 

HeilSatan!!!

Oct 14, 2009

Obama is the greatest! Go Socialism! Maybe one day, if we ever get past all of those fascist conservatives, we could even aspire to become Communist!

 

Horrible

Oct 14, 2009

Wow, this is just like when the republicans snuck the UIGEA onto a port security bill to appease the freaky religious right who think that people shouldn't have the right to gamble with their own money in the privacy of their own homes. But hey York, either you're too uninformed or too biased to point that out, right?

Hypocrites. Absolute utter, republican hypocrites.

Also, I love how stomping the head of some gay kid is now a first amendment issue.

Disgusting, hateful clowns.

 

rm

Oct 14, 2009

How 'bout we round-up all the gays, illegal aliens, politicians and dump 'em off in Mexico. Finish the fence and dare 'em to cross.

 

Oct 15, 2009

He was installed in order to provide a flash point/tripwire for a draconian response by the central government .The understandable passion & frustration expressed by American voters is exactly what they wanted.Our thoughts enjoy a liberty that now is denied our speech .

 

Kingdom Come

Oct 15, 2009

Phase 2. Biological Warfare Phase 3.Mutiny in the Armed Forces along Racial Lines.Phase 4. Cyber- Attack by Russia Phase 5. Human Wave assault across Mexican & Canadian borders

 

dh

Oct 15, 2009

If we have someone in office who is a dope we have an obligation to talk about what a dope he is.
The current administration believes in one-time democracy. They get voted in once and then stay forever.

All of you who will now rally behind the 'but he is your president' arguement are fooling themselves. People are already wise to the Socialist agenda-mongering dot-org phony charities that colluded to get these Marxists into power. You can try and change the law all you want to shut us up, but everything you do to surpress freedom will just be one more reason for your removal from power.

 

AR

Oct 15, 2009

Okay, it's time to put up or shut up! If homosexuals can flood the "Mall" then so can those of us with moral and ethical values. It's time to stand up to the corporations and financial institutions that hold us all captive. "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!!!"

 

josil

Oct 15, 2009

I am President. Now, shut up!

 

Freedomfighter_99

Oct 16, 2009

Great! You impeach Obama & you get "Talkin' Joe" Biden. You impeach him and you get "The Face"...then you get the Grand Kleagle, Robt. Byrd then Shrillary...oh my word...

 

Freedomfighter_99

Oct 16, 2009

...Geez, come to think of it, we should just save to salaries of the Secret Service and just frisk Hillary every time she's going to be near Obama.

With a line-up like the one above, no right-thinking citizen would DARE go with the "Final Solution" for a disaster like Barry the Bolshivek?
It just gets worse & worse!

 

guest 129

Oct 16, 2009

I don't not believe in hate crime legislation at all, it's stupid and a farse for one reason - every victim of a crime deserved justice end of story. If the victim is white, elderly, spanish, black, asian, whatever, the punishment should be evenly handed out. If my elderly mother is attacked and brutally beaten to death, should their attacker get any LESS punishment just because she is not Gay. Why work the crime committed on her be any less deserving of the harshes sentence. When you violently attack someone isn't that Hate already, this is ridiculous. victims are attacked for different because they are easy targets and won't fight back or because the criminal is just flat mean and hateful and has no regard or respect for other persons. So no VICTIM should have their offender given the lesser of the two sentences if it doesn't fall into the hate category, as far as I am concered it is already hate. This is just redundant and only self serving to the politically correct.

 

Jack Kennedy

Oct 16, 2009

as this will be against the law at some point in the future

- Real Americans must reject the American taliban and take back America -

2010 will be America's last chance to avoid the permanent obamaland morass

Are the Real Americans up to the challenges and damage being made by obama and his sycophant America haters?

 

Rambam

Oct 17, 2009

Elections have consequences, and so do administrations. The America people make mistakes in who they elect, but the politicians make far greater mistakes by how the administer their offices. The clock keeps ticking, the one thing I know is that every decision has consequences and our elected officials will not escape justice by the true Judge.

 

Rambam

Oct 17, 2009

The constitution enumerates not creates our basic freedoms. Our Freedom comes from God, and when government stifles the freedom of speech, it time we say; it is better to follow God than man.

 

joe america

Oct 18, 2009

"Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other."
- Ronald Reagan
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
- Ronald Reagan
ALWAYS VOTE - NEVER RE-ELECT
GET THE BUMS OUT - POLITICS, NOT A CAREER!
FIRECONGRESS.ORG
OH yea, NO on H.R.875 - they want to control our food!! better check it out...

 

real yellow journalism, fair and balanced

Oct 21, 2009

"Actually, we will have moved closer to that day when lawmakers use stealthy, behind-closed-doors maneuvers to chip away at fundamental constitutional rights. Ask Republicans how it happened, and they say simply, "Elections have consequences." They're right."

Two words, Byron: Patriot Act.

 

Catbus

Oct 22, 2009

Byron York clearly assumes that he’s writing for an audience with a short attention span. He deplores the outrage of allowing unrelated measures, including a hate crime prevention amendment, to be attached to a military spending bill, forcing legislators to either swallow the amendment or vote “against the troops.” To read his column, you’d think this was an innovation in iniquity, a new legislative low. But this kind of stunt has been pulled again and again by the majority party in Congress for as long as I can remember—probably longer. It’s nothing new. In the panoply of political game-playing, it’s not even all that outrageous. Lawmakers have done much, much worse.

 

HadenoughKMC

Oct 23, 2009

You all are wondering why we have a hate crimes bill? Why don't you all look at the way your speaking. Stop picking the president and stop picking on this current administration. This hate crimes bill been being planned out for a decade. I think everyone needs to start respecting each American and work together and help out and stop the hate and Love each other.
The only time Christians will be arrested for the truth in Jesus is when Jesus returns and there is the 7 year tribulation period. I am not preaching that so don't worry but, look it up sometime.
Why can't we put our differences aside and work together and put this nation back in order for once?

 

Michelle

Oct 24, 2009

When was the last time someone shouted "straight" slurs at you and beat you to a pulp? The Matthew Shepard act was necessary. Hide behind bigotry and "morality" all you like. This bill was needed by many glbt TAXPAYERS.

 

Michelle

Oct 24, 2009

Oh, and guest 129, and those that think as you do, if your grandmother is beaten up, her attackers cannot claim "gay panic" and get off with a slap on the wrist. Young men who brutalize gay men can - and do. Do your research.

 

thequestion

Oct 26, 2009

Okay, I noticed something that I'd like to have clarified:

It has come to my attention that there 2 types of Constitutional law (constitutional law includes first amendment law). The first kind is Modern Constitutional law, which is the interpretation (or preferred interpretation, depending on which side of the political spectrum you are on) of the U.S. Constitution that is used by many judges, professors, lawmakers, and normal people.

The second type of Constitutional law is Actual Constitutional Law, which is the literal interpretation of the text of the U.S. Constitution as written and ratified by the Founding Fathers.

There is a significant difference between the two, and I would like to know which type of Constitutional Law we're talking about here.

 

APlatt

Oct 28, 2009

Rick is exactly right. If hate crime bills are unconstitutional, all hate crime bill are unconstitutional. Seems like sound logic to me. Now all we need is a president who respects the constitution. Yeah and that stealthy move was low. Hopefully we can get some of these hate crime bills off the books, and some sections of civil rights removed as well. I strongly support equal rights for gays, but not special rights or special protections. F Obama. I am so sick of his presidency already. I just got a ticket today because that idiot needs to repair every road in the country that doesn't need repairing. Get that f*ck out.

 

TiredOfMorons

Oct 29, 2009

"I strongly support equal rights for gays, but not special rights or special protections."

APlatt, here, like so many before him, simply does NOT understand what he (or she) is talking about.

All this bill does is extend protection to gays, etc. The basic laws are already in place. Hate Crime legislation protects ALL of us from being the victim of one.

How hard is it to wrap your feeble minds around this very basic concept?

 

Sable

Oct 30, 2009

You yelp about putting this provision in the war funding bill - "what do hate crimes have to do with defense spendin". Well, who was it that put the provision to allow weapons to be carried in National Parks into a bill on credit card reform? Please explain to me why one is OK to do, but the other isn't?

 

Darax

Nov 2, 2009

actually this entire discussion is now illegal, due to both sides demeaning the other, (historically all of this has happened before) Alien and Sedition acts
Virginian and Kentucky resolutions, and the list goes on throughout all of American History. also the Constitution was designed with the states in mind. I hope Missouri Nullifies this garbage(the paper, in truth will, simply be thrown away).

 

gene willis

Nov 15, 2009

this is a presidential minority revenge policy brought to you by liberal govn. dishonesty.no matter how you blog about it,the constitution for this country is in the toilet!hate law is safe laws for minorities,while making criminals out of those who are not of the minority ajenda.sick,very sick!govn we have.this is what minorities do in high offices!sick,extreamly sick!

 

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