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Dems' kamikaze mission: Health care by New Year's

By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
November 27, 2009

(AP File)

Democratic Sen. Richard Durbin recently was asked if a national health care bill would pass the Senate by the end of the year. "It must," Durbin responded. "We have to finish it."

Many other top Democrats share Durbin's determination to meet this deadline. But it's almost certainly not going to happen, for three reasons: the calendar, the Senate's other business, and, most importantly, growing public opposition to the health bill itself.

Start with the calendar. No matter what Durbin says, there's not enough time to get a bill of the scope and complexity of the 2,074-page Senate proposal -- which was only unveiled 10 days ago -- done by New Year's.

The Senate's first full day of business after the Thanksgiving break is Tuesday, Dec. 1. After that shortened week, there are two more workweeks, beginning Dec. 7 and 14, before the beginning of the traditional Christmas-New Year's break. That's a total of 14 working days (assuming the lawmakers work through the weekends) to debate, amend, and vote on the bill.

But even if the Senate were to work through part of the holidays and add a few days to the legislative calendar, there won't be enough time to deal with the amendments senators will propose. It won't just be Republicans trying to slow things down; there will be Democrats making changes, too. Say Senator X believes some provision in the bill will have a negative effect on his state. He'll need to be able to tell voters that he looked out for them. "They're all going to need their CYA amendments," says one well-connected Republican Senate aide. For anyone unfamiliar with iron acronyms of Capitol Hill, CYA means Cover Your Ass.

Then there will be the Republican amendments. GOP lawmakers will introduce amendments to challenge some of the bill's fundamentals: the giant cuts in Medicare spending, the array of new and higher taxes, the coerciveness of the bill's mandates, and the intimidating new powers given to health care bureaucrats. "We probably won't have one comprehensive alternative," Republican Sen. Charles Grassley told reporters. "We'll probably have a lot of different subsection amendments."

That takes time. But even if it were possible to get it done by year's end, health care is still just one of many things the Senate has to do. There are several appropriations bills that remain undone. A debt-ceiling agreement that has to be reached. The extension of some parts of the Patriot Act. The extension of the highway bill. (Never mind the distraction of the Afghanistan troop debate.) It all has to get done -- or at least kicked down the road -- by the end of the year. Even kicking them down the road will take time.

"It would take probably from now 'til Christmas to do all of those issues, to deal with all of those measures that we should be dealing with," Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said last week. Instead, McConnell said, the Senate is racing to meet a "manufactured deadline."

But the biggest problem for Democrats, by far, is that public support for the bill is slowly and steadily falling. According to Pollster.com, the average of all the polls done on health care shows 48.7 percent of Americans opposed to the bill, and 39.5 percent in favor. The gap between disapproval and approval has never been bigger.

The reason the Democratic leadership and the White House are rushing to pass the bill is that they know it is killing them and believe doing it quickly will kill fewer of them than doing it slowly. If they pass it by year's end, perhaps voters will move on to other concerns by the November 2010 midterm elections.

The thinking leaves Republicans baffled. Have Democrats not heard of the stimulus? It's been law for months now, and voter anger about it is growing, not diminishing. "The stimulus is a lesson on doing a huge bill all at once in a hurry," says the GOP aide. "It's a mistake."

Despite all the obstacles, Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid could attempt to cut off debate and force a vote before New Year's. But it's a big gamble, especially if all the Democratic concerns about the bill haven't been addressed. Reid has won a few and lost a few such gambles in the past.

Recently freshman Democratic Sen. Michael Bennet said he would vote for health care even if he knew it would cost him his seat. The question Reid and Durbin face now is: How many Democrats would do the same?

Byron York, The Examiner's chief political correspondent, can be contacted at byork@washingtonexaminer.com. His column appears on Tuesday and Friday, and his stories and blog posts appears on www.ExaminerPolitics.com ExaminerPolitics.com.



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Tony18

Nov 26, 2009

"the intimidating new powers given to health care bureaucrats"

In no way, shape, or form do any of these scare me as much as the powers Insurance Companies have right now.

 

Dennis Kolb Sr.

Nov 27, 2009

The AP File Photo Looks Like The Dems.Were Just Baptized In Vinagar..

Sour-Puss Looking Bunch..

 

higgins1990

Nov 27, 2009


"Suicide is painless,
it brings on many changes.
And I can take or leave it
if I please..."

 

Orson

Nov 27, 2009

Tony18 says:" 'the intimidating new powers given to health care bureaucrats'

In no way, shape, or form do any of these scare me as much as the powers Insurance Companies have right now."

Then Tony18 is a fool and a willing slave to health the 'health care' fascists - you can sue insurance companies when matters go wrong - have you ever tried suing the US Postal Service? "Seig Heil!' Tony - learn it, love it, you ****** knave!

 

Dennis Kolb Sr.

Nov 27, 2009

When-"Tony18", Turns "Tony 68",He'll Wish He Had An Insurance Company To Deal With!!!

 

jacicaalban

Nov 27, 2009

as they meet Saturday night to *try* and ram a death knell HC which will end up KILLING this country? PLEASE give any sane reasons for passing this KILLING BILL
http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=2256829

 

Guy Jones

Nov 27, 2009

Tony 18 should familiarize himself with "60 Minutes"' recent report on the extent of Medicare fraud. The estimated amount of annual Medicare fraud (conservatively pegged at $60 billion) dwarfs the combined profits of the health insurance companies by a factor of 15. Democrats have been using health insurance companies as a convenient political target, despite the fact that most Americans with private health insurance are satisfied with their coverage (and despite the fact that Congress's gold-plated healthcare benefits offer a generous array of private plans to choose from -- no public option for these hypocrites.

 

Dennis Kolb Sr.

Nov 27, 2009

A picture is worth a thousand words:

Looks Like "Dirty Harry" Is Leading Fellow Democrats In A Pledge To Obama.

And All The Dems Said;..."Amen"...

 

Sectionhand

Nov 27, 2009

I don't imagine that there are more than a tiny handfull of politicians willing to play political chicken Harry Reid style . What Reid and Pelosi are essentially saying to the members of their caucus in disputed districts ; " Those who are about to die , we salute you !"

It just ain't gonna happen !

 

bwaaman@aol.com

Nov 27, 2009

Reid isn't playing with his political future by having this monstrosity pass. He knows he going to get slaughtered in the election anyway, so as payback for this he will punish his constituents in advance. Kinda like algore trying to cram AGW down the country's throat as a punishment for his loss in 2000.

 

Healthcare Administrator

Nov 27, 2009

These self-centered fools in congress have absolutely no idea how badly they will damage American health care. I've been employed in health care for 22 years and I don't know of one physician that supports this proposed train wreck. If it passes, many docs will quit the profession further limiting the supply of providers. Write your representatives and urge them not to pass it.

 

Mad Monica

Nov 27, 2009

As long as we can get folks in next year to take back these votes, I say let the dems self-destruct. That said, I'm not sure I trust the American people to make intelligent fact-based decisions in the voting booth anymore, so I'm pretty worried. What to do, what to do...

 

UnknownSoldier

Nov 27, 2009

Bennet is widely known in Colorado as a placeholder either for Denver mayor Hickenlooper (for whom Bennet was chief of staff) or Gov. Ritter, so he has no expectation of re-election.

 

Nov 27, 2009

"Recently freshman Democratic Sen. Michael Bennet said he would vote for health care even if he knew it would cost him his seat"

Here is an excerpt from a blog I read who are ardent Hillary Clinton supporters...This explains why they are willing to sacrifice their PUBLICLY held governmental jobs...

"He also thinks Democrats will indeed lose the House, as he’s hearing of more House members deciding not to seek re-election, knowing their votes on Utopicare will doom their careers. They have all been promised highly lucrative post-government jobs by Nancy Pelosi, however, so many of these Dems are willing to take the bullets for Utopiacare so that they can make millions in the coming years by working as “consultants” and then lobbyists, with Pelosi and the DNC’s employment agency placing them into golden parachutes (more like golden showers, if you ask us. Google it.)."

Article Link:

http://hillbuzz.org/2009/11/25/speaker-of-the-house-bachmann/

 

Jerry

Nov 27, 2009

Obama/SEIU/ACORN/Soros are all locked together in one big criminal organization that is out to steal the wealth of the USA and redistribute it to their Union and big corporate cronies here and around the world. They are using Health Care Reform, Cap and Trade, Deficit Spending and the take over of every private industry they can get their hands on as a means of getting a hold of their ill gotten loot. The only way to stop them is No 1. Stop the passage of the Health Care Reform Bill by calling your Senators day and night, No. 2.
Speaking out to your neighbors and friends to turn public sentiment and No. 3. Do everything you can to take the House and Senate back from the Democrats in 2010 so the GOP can start an investigation of Obama and his crooked ilk. If you think a 3rd party alternative is the answer, you might as well vote for a Democrat and just let them take over the US.

 

GarandFan

Nov 27, 2009

Sen. Michael Bennet can pontificate all he wants about how he'll vote. The true test will be the actual vote. I seriously doubt we'll see a Bennet "watch me cut my throat" moment.

 

Mary

Nov 27, 2009

Tony18, fyi, Insurance companies do not have the power to put you in jail if you do not play by their rules, government does. Embedded in both the Senate and House Health Care Bills is the power to fine and put you in jail if you fail to buy government approved health care insurance plus granting great power to the Preventative Health Task Force to impose what "cost effective" treatments and procedures are allowable. The Preventative Task Force is the same government entity that ruled that mammograms for women under 50 were not "cost effective" and should not be provided by health care providers. Be "afraid" "very afraid" of granting government this type of power over our lives.

 

Dr. Dean

Nov 27, 2009

Don't count Reid out. Dangerously ignorant people like Tony18 are out there slavishly following Obama, Reid and Pelosi (ORP) without even the slightest questioning. Government healthcare in this nation wastes tens of billions a year and has trillions in unfunded liabilities. Health insurance companies have a 5.5% profit margin while tort lawyers have a 14.8% profit margin - Democrat "health care" does nothing about tort attorneys and decimates insurance by making it far more expensive. ORP says 'health insurance companies bad' and their drooling sycophants like Tony18 begin chanting the phrase to themselves like some psuedo-religious ceremony. Even Evan Thomas, editor of Newsweek who believes Obama is a 'God' says the bills are 'fiscal fraud'. Howard Dean also says the bills will cost far, far more than the Democrats are lying to us.

 

justin

Nov 27, 2009

It won't matter, they don't have the votes to break fillibuster. Their entire platform is falling apart. They're doomed and they know it.

This is the end for them and they know it. In another 15 years they will try again.

 

freedom's

Nov 27, 2009

((((((impeachment campaign.)))))))) ((((ImpeachObamaCampaign.com))))))))))

 

SnowCrass22

Nov 27, 2009

This bill must be killed! What the main issue for me is mandating every person purchase govt. authorized health care or face fines and imprisonment. It is also a total violation of privacy. Remember a National ID Card, this is the backdoor to the same goal!

 

Lou Filliger

Nov 27, 2009

Just keep on contacting your Senators - do it early and often. NO on the Reid Bill. NO on the Reid bill. NO on the Reid Bill.

 

SimRacer

Nov 27, 2009

Tony18 - "In no way, shape, or form do any of these scare me as much as the powers Insurance Companies have right now."

Then you in no way, shape or form understand the vast difference in authority between the federal government vs private industry.

 

Little l Libertarian

Nov 27, 2009

When will people like Tony18 understand there is only difference between an insurance company pencil pusher and a government one at HHS is to the insurance company I am the same value as the next policy. To a cubicle pilot at HHS I will be ranked by my political value in the next election, The one thing critics of government medical have wrong is seniors will always get poor care. Nope every fours years a year before the Presidential election seniors will get medical money thrown at them for the benefit of getting Florida. Then it will go back to normal. Need soccer moms dump money into pediatrics.

 

ExNavyVietVet

Nov 27, 2009

"It must," Durbin responded. "We have to finish it...." Observing the reckless abandon with with the Dim-O-Rats have pummeled the economy with the "Stimulus" which put a huge brick on our national credit, Cap'n'Tax which forced businesses large and smallto defer hiring and expansion due to the uncertainties they generate and now ObamaCare?? If their mission was to disrupt, distort and destroy the US economy, I say, "Mission Accomplished!"
Reid will use every political tool in the arsenal to effect passage. Undoing this Gordian knot once tied may prove to be impossible and that's what they're counting on. It's reprehensible but they simply don't care. They'll fnish all right and us along with it!!!

 

shockwaver

Nov 27, 2009

spelling correction: commiekaze

 

GregoryS

Nov 27, 2009

If you don't like your insurance company, I have good news for you. Find another. If you don't your government insurance company, I have some bad news for you. You're SOL. Defeat this monstrosity NOW.

 

Sir Toby Belch

Nov 27, 2009

Tokyo Nan and Rodan Reid will be sipping
the ceremomial sake and taking off in
their Soros-provided biplanes soon in
an unprecedented air assault on middle
America. Kamikaze(divine wind) is the
purest form of loyalty to a "cause",
but it sure as hell plays hobs with
troop strength of the true-believers
in the long run. Take heart as their
planes drop, one by one, off the radar
screen.

 

zanne

Nov 27, 2009

These elected reps don't care. They have been assured in private by the dems that upon their defeat they will have a BIGGER and BETTER job with the government. The only work force expanding in this adminstration is the government. Can't ever have enough czars when you want to control the people.

 

astonerii

Nov 27, 2009

Tony18 "In no way, shape, or form do any of these scare me as much as the powers Insurance Companies have right now."

Only a true believer hack could say what you did. You are not forced to use insurance. What the heath care bill will do is force you to use insurance and allow someone with no clue about medicine make your heath care choices for you.

 

jtrailroad

Nov 27, 2009

i been reading articles on healthcare.after the lobbist get done writing our healthcare bill it will be 4,000 pages!there will be so many loop holes you could drive a mack truck through it.but what get gets me healthcare isnt a right.our constitution says you have the right to life,liberty and the persuiit of happiness. this so called healthcare bill is against the 5th and 10th admenments to our cconstitution.no wheree in our constitution dose it force you to buy a think!

 

Anson Heath

Nov 27, 2009

They don’t care if they lose congress in 2010. Why? Because the WH will still be theirs until 2012 and Obama will stop any REP party attempt to undo ObamaCare.
In 2012, if the REPs take over both Congress and the WH and try to undo ObamaCare,
YOU WILL SEE THE MOTHER OF ALL ‘PROTESTS’ PUT ON BY THE PEOPLE WHO DO IT BETTER THAN ANYONE. REMEMBER THE RACE RIOTS OF THE 60’S, THE VIETNAM WAR PROTESTS, WEATHERMEN BOMBINGS, ETC. (ACORN?)
NO ONE DOES STREET RIOTS BETTER THAN MARXIST/FASCIST THUGS AND UNION GOONS.



AND THE MEDIA WILL BACK THEM UP 100%!

“THOSE MEAN CONSERVATIVES WANT TO TAKE AWAY OUR HEALTH CARE!!”



THEN WILL COME THE DEFINING MOMENT FOR AMERICA!

 

Bill

Nov 27, 2009

In regards to Tony18 trusting the Federal Government more than Insurance Companies:

Assuming that this kid is 18, perhaps his hatred for insurance companies is because he was unable to get automobile insurance because of an irresponsible driving record.

Most states have laws preventing children his age from drinking on the assumption that they are not mature enough to be responsible. Yet we let them vote? How does that make sense?

 

CHANYE44

Nov 27, 2009

If Harry Reid and his DESPICABLE gang have their way, Thousands of Grand Folks will be resting in peace a whole lot sooner in the Marble Orchard, wondering what the He!! happened!!

 

CHANYE44

Nov 27, 2009

freedom's, thank you for the address to Impeach that pompous Presi- Dick!! I'm sending it to everyone I have an address for. Yes the Dim- Wit - Crats too!!

 

DEF

Nov 27, 2009

The outlaws know their time is running out, once the smoke clears, war will have been declared, unless they surrender!!!! The industrious of this Nation are not going to tolerate this hijacking of the fruitation of their labors!!! This is a scam, everyone knows it's a scam, the more desperate they become to ram it through as law, to bind a law abiding society, the more evident it becomes!!!! They take their time to get it right on Afghanistan, but shove this through before the window of opportunity slams shut (Before the mice (Sheepeople) recognize the trap)!!!!!!!!!!

 

SamIam

Nov 27, 2009

I said it months ago in a blog I frequent and was recently said by Limbaugh . It's going to come down to how many Democrats are essentially suicide bombers for their cause, which is permanently transforming the basic structure of America. Their leadership obviously are, but how many members will also pull their detonator cords?

 

CHANYE44

Nov 27, 2009

FYI.
You haven’t heard it from America’s mainstream media yet – even Fox News hasn’t covered it – but the director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Dr. John P. Holdren, is a key player in the Climate gate e-mails flap, which is shaping up as the biggest scandal in the history of modern science. It's all going to fall apart and I am down right Giddy about this news...! Tick - Tock

 

Nov 27, 2009

Holdren has a history of alarmingly extremist views. He co-authored a 1977 book, “Ecoscience: Population Resources, Environment,” advocating compulsory abortion for purposes of population control, mass sterilization, government-dictated family size like China’s one-child policy, and a “planetary regime” to be policed by the United Nations. Washington's Science Czar is just another of obama's FRAUD's !!!

 

LJ from Kansas

Nov 27, 2009

ObamaCare has nothing to do with healthcare. Crap and Tax has nothing to do with saving the earth. They are simply cash cows to fund back door approaches in controling the population by a few perverts so they can pay off their bootlicking supporters and control the nation and eliminate the middle and upper class. Keep everyone dependent on them for crumbs here and there from the federal treasury. Don't do as I do, Do as I say, or else.Looks like the "Change We Can Believe In" crap is starting to come apart at the seams.Couldn't happen to a better bunch of creeps (Democreeps).

 

Sam

Nov 27, 2009

Obama and crew must get health care passed before the close of the year and people get their 1099s for the cash for clunkers payments that they will have to pay taxes on. Once we all see what our real taxes for 2009 are there will be even more disapproval of a health care bill that taxes us first and doesn't pay out benefits for several years to come.

http://www.businessinsider.com/whoops-cash-for-clunker-participants-dont-realize-their-rebates-get-taxed-2009-8

http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2009/05/the-truth-about-obamas-tax-cre.html

 

CHANYE44

Nov 27, 2009

~ How Washington can fix All of it $$$$ problems ~

There are about 40 million people over 50 in the work force. Pay them $1
million apiece severance for early retirement with the following stipulations:

1) They MUST retire. Forty million job openings - Unemployment fixed..

2) They MUST buy a new American CAR. Forty million cars ordered – Auto Industry fixed..

3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage – Housing Crisis
fixed..

It can't get any easier than that!!

P.S. If more money is needed, have all members in Congress pay their taxes...

Obama, while you're at it, make Congress retire on Social Security and
Medicare. Your problems will be fixed in the blink of an eye!!

 

jondos

Nov 28, 2009

Rationing has already begun...Doctors of elderly patients have been advised by the government to prescribe less tests...they have also been notified that there will be even more severe cuts next year in testing for the elderly...they have also been advised not to tell their patients...So those of you who don't believe the government will get in the way of your relationship with your doctor, think again...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL) and Congressman Ron Klein (D-FL) support "GERIATRIC GENOCIDE"

 

Shiori

Nov 28, 2009

Hey Tony18 - Insurance Companies don't have police powers, or the ability to print their own money, or the power to pass laws that hinder or tax their competition, or force people to purchase a policy, or force the young, healthy and legal citizens to pay for the sick, old and illegal aliens. Get a clue kid. Read the Bill.

 

Lavaux

Nov 28, 2009

The GOP have an alternative health care bill. What they should do is break it up into segments and offer each segment as a counter-amendment to each CYA amendment that Democrat Senators make. As the Dems reject each GOP amendment in favor of their own CYA, pork-filled amendments, a voting record will be created that will indict the Democrats' approach to governance.

$ 300,000,000 worth of pork isn't going to save Sen. Landrieu from the wrath of her constituents. The same is true of the pork-loaded stimulus. Indeed, the GOP lost their grip on the Congress in 2006 because they tried to buy the voters' love with the taxpayers' money. It seems the Democrats have learned nothing from the GOP's demise and are doomed to suffer the same fate in 2010.

 

Vertigo

Nov 28, 2009

@CHANYE44

Darn, no matter how rediculous that sounds, I could actually see you making a point. I'm trying to find some reasons why this would be a bad idea, but I really cannot find any. (unless these people over 50 act irresponsibly with their one million, and spend it all in 2 years time)

anyone care to comment and find the flaw in his argument, because it seems reasonable to me!

V.

 

G2

Nov 28, 2009

The $1 million dollars is not a bad idea but once the government (fed & state) withhold taxes you would only have about $400k or less left if you live in NY. And you pay off the house and buy a car then you have $50k left to survive on...

 

Cogs

Nov 28, 2009

This has never been about health care; it's all about money, power and control.

 

Wellstone

Nov 28, 2009

Tony18, you got that right!! Anyone left to the tender mercies of the Health Cartel knows they get their money one way or another. Insurance companies can't put you in jail? How about suing you into Bankruptcy Court and THEY putting you in economic jail by garnishing all your wages and assets?
Find another insurance company?? Yeah, right. If you have a preexisting ondition or unpaid health bills, good luck to ya, there's the door. Your medical records follow you as doggedly as your financial history will.
Fraud in Medicare? THAT we can treat with diligent enforcement, profits we can;t. They will be taken out of your pocket.

I love the way you ignorant right-wingnuts stick up for the insurance companies, as if they will EVER stick up for you. Idiots.

 

Nov 28, 2009

lessee... 40 million people times a million dollars comes to.. a 40 trillion dollar payment??

You are an imbecile with no grip on numbers. The TOTAL US GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT last year was "only" 14 Trillion, and the last Federal budget Bush put in was 3.1 Trillion which was actually 3.8 Trillion, except Bush lied and put war and secret expenses off-budget.

 

Nov 28, 2009

And looking at the posts following yours, it looks like the Examiner attracts a lot of third-grade level "intellectuals" too, lol. What maroons.

 

SWJ

Nov 28, 2009

All you big government liberals shaking and shivering over "big insurance companies" need to be reminded that big governments are responsible for the murder of probably 100 million people in this past century alone.

Obama and dems think fewer people is better. They'd off you in a minute.

 

viewfrimtheroad

Nov 28, 2009

Dems to America: Let them eat cake!

 

kipd

Nov 28, 2009

why stop at impeachment for bojangles? we need to try most of congress for treason, for this is what much of this borders on...total willing and knowing violation of the US Constitution which they have sworn to uphold and protect. TOTAL JOKE! And they ALL lose all their pensions etc.

 

Wellstone's the idiot

Nov 28, 2009

Another slug welfare whore feeding off the government's tit. One of the so-called "tolerant" leftists who refuse to hear alternative solutions to real healthcare reform the Republicans are calling for. I won't waste my breath giving him the common sense solutions because with them, common sense is not common. They have none in their warped, indoctrinated, mentally bankrupted, pea brain mind.

 

Myron_Monk

Nov 28, 2009

To Tony18 and others who believe that the "evil" health insurance companies should be driven out of business: Just ask yourself when the government "screws" you on healthcare (and in time, it will), then who are you going to sue? Hmmmm!?

 

Shines

Nov 28, 2009

Wellstone, you call "right wingnuts" (still don't know what that is) idiots, but you and your leftist "progressive" buddies cannot seem to define how the proverbial cost curve will be "bent" (presumably downward using the incomplete language of the left) by the open-ended funding of the federal government. Do you and your leftist "progressives" even consider that access to health insurance --- and that is what we're debating... not health care --- is more easily attainable by a federally funded risk pool for pre-existing conditions at a fraction of the cost? Or do you understand the benefits of interstate competition of healthplans, which the Democrats oppose, but would have far more competitive benefits than the so-called government "option"? Or is it just universal care that will bankrupt the treasury what you want? Now who's the idiot?

 

edinGA

Nov 28, 2009

kipd, now that's a good idea! If voting for this could cost them their pensions, it'd be dead in the water. Wish we could get an opinion from a Constitutional lawyer on your proposal.

 

go_figure7722

Nov 28, 2009

Amendment #1: Anything passed by this congress shall apply to this congress. Anyone voting no shall resign immediately.

 

andrewp111

Nov 28, 2009

Reid will package Obamacare with the Omnibus appropriations debt limit reconcilliation all rolled into one. It will take only 51 votes to pass it. This is why they haven't finished the appropriations bills yet. Approrpriations is the only train out of the station and Obamacare must hitch a ride.

 

Andrew P

Nov 28, 2009

Congress has created 65 new Federal Judgeships. Why? Perhaps so defeated Dem congressmen have a lifetime secure job waiting for them.

 

dudh

Nov 28, 2009

You're living in a dream world of right-wingers who only listen to themselves, Byron. The health care bill will pass, will benefit millions of Americans, and will demonstrate not only Obama's power, but will be a landmark achievement of Democrats in Congress, leading to further achievements. Republicans, dominated and intimidated by the conservatives in the party and not in it, will have done nothing.

 

JohnR

Nov 28, 2009

The silver lining to this dark cloud is that if the Dems pass a bill, the people most effected will be the kiddie crowd (the under 30's) like Tony18. Any Dem bill will explode the national debt in 15 years which will FORCE massive tax hikes on the middle class...like Tony18. So Tony baby, get ready for reduced standards of living and health care in your old age that consists of an aspirin and a band aid.

 

John Galt

Nov 28, 2009

The democrats do not care what the PEOPLE want..they want to create their socialist "utopia" at the expense of the working man. How much of our productive effort do we have to give to the STATE? Many of us already work several months of the year to pay off our lord and masters before we can use the fruits of our labor for ourselves. Please, vote for candidates that have the following ideals.

• Limited government power
• A balanced budget
• Personal liberty
• Strict adherence to the Constitution
• Sound money
• A strong defense while avoiding all undeclared wars
• No nation-building and no policing the world

 

Nov 28, 2009

Private insurance companies are making reasonable profits, and they deserve it. The reason is they can do it more efficiently and cheaper. Just look at all the government wastes and inefficiencies and frauds in Medicaid and Medicare. It's amazing that some people still believe that the government can do things better. Politicians and government employees are never concerned about cost. They will do everything to protect their jobs. In reality, it's not in the government employees' interest to solve problems, it's in their interest to perpetuate the problem so they can keep their jobs. Just think this way: If the problem is solved, they will become irrelevent. So government employees always are slow to solve problems or even create new problems to justify their employment. France's national health care system is on the verge of bankcrupcy even though French people have to pay 21 percents of their income in tax to fund the system.

 

Wellstone

Nov 28, 2009

Shines: "... a Federally funded risk pool.." IS a National Health Insurance Plan, you imbecile!

Medicare is a model of a not-for-profit Health Insurance Program. It LEADS all health insurance programs in cost factors and efficiency, even WITH fraud. Imagine if we control fraud? And what makes you think Cigna, Aetna, UHC, and Empire Blue are not plagued by fraud, too?

Medicare is the ONLY Health Plan that has been able to set prices for the HMO's and Health Cartels. MD's know they are going to get less from Medicare. And you know what? They take Medicare patients and fight for more because the Federal Government PAYS its invoices on time.
Why do you think the Health cartels are spending millions each day and paying Byron York to publish this garbage?
Because they're SCARED, that's why.

 

Tim Buck II

Nov 29, 2009

Any Senator or Congressman voting in favor of this bill MUST be voted out of office at the first opportunity.

Reason: It is simply not acceptable that Congressmen and their families get one kind of healthcare for themselves and their families while they mandate that the public accepts a different and inferior kind. The public pays for both type of plans and there are NO circumstances under which it might be acceptable for our representatives to have coverage superior to that of their constituents.

Surely, even the most ardent liberal will understand this point. Surely, the proponents of healthcare reform as presently envisaged could NOT possibly have an attitude more akin to "let them eat cake" if they tried.

 

juniusxv

Nov 29, 2009

if durbin could somehow get an aircraft to altitude he doesn't have the brains to get it back to the ground, kamikaze style or not. durbin's a lightweight and would waft around in the atmosphere for eternity.

 

Observero0

Nov 30, 2009

[Dems' kamikaze mission: Health care by New Year's]=========
Folks, it's obvious these senators/reps we put in office don't understand they work for us. Contact your senator/rep & remind them; let them know these bills are unacceptable. They do not reduce health care costs; they do not improve health care. The bills require individuals to purchase health insurance. This makes folks slaves to insurance companies from cradle to grave. The bills add taxes/fees. This is unacceptable. If they won't listen, it's time to vote them out & get folks in that will listen to us. Institute strict term limits. If it's good enough for the president's position, it's good enough for congress!

 

Jan 11, 2010

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