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For the Left, war without Bush is not war at all

By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
August 18, 2009

Former President George W. Bush addresses a Fourth of July crowd at the Let Freedom Ring 2009 festival at Crystal Beach Park Arena in Woodward, Okla., Saturday, July 4, 2009. (AP Photo)

Remember the anti-war movement? Not too long ago, the Democratic party's most loyal voters passionately opposed the war in Iraq. Democratic presidential candidates argued over who would withdraw American troops the quickest. Netroots activists regularly denounced President George W. Bush, and sometimes the U.S. military ("General Betray Us"). Cindy Sheehan, the woman whose soldier son was killed in Iraq, became a heroine when she led protests at Bush's Texas ranch.

That was then. Now, even though the United States still has roughly 130,000 troops in Iraq, and is quickly escalating the war in Afghanistan -- 68,000 troops there by the end of this year, and possibly more in 2010 -- anti-war voices on the Left have fallen silent.

No group was more angrily opposed to the war in Iraq than the netroots activists clustered around the left-wing Web site DailyKos. It's an influential site, one of the biggest on the Web, and in the Bush years many of its devotees took an active role in raising money and campaigning for anti-war candidates.

In 2006, DailyKos held its first annual convention, called YearlyKos, in Las Vegas. Amid the slightly discordant surroundings of the Riviera Hotel casino, the webby activists spent hours discussing and planning strategies not only to defeat Republicans but also to pressure Democrats to oppose the war more forcefully. The gathering attracted lots of mainstream press attention; Internet activism was the hot new thing.

Fast forward to last weekend, when YearlyKos, renamed Netroots Nation, held its convention in Pittsburgh. The meeting didn't draw much coverage, but the views of those who attended are still, as they were in 2006, a pretty good snapshot of the left wing of the Democratic party.

The news that emerged is that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have virtually fallen off the liberal radar screen. Kossacks (as fans of DailyKos like to call themselves) who were consumed by the Iraq war when George W. Bush was president are now, with Barack Obama in the White House, not so consumed, either with Iraq or with Obama's escalation of the conflict in Afghanistan. In fact, they barely seem to care.

As part of a straw poll done at the convention, the Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg presented participants with a list of policy priorities like health care and the environment. He asked people to list the two priorities they believed "progressive activists should be focusing their attention and efforts on the most." The winner, by far, was "passing comprehensive health care reform." In second place was enacting "green energy policies that address environmental concerns."

And what about "working to end our military involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan"? It was way down the list, in eighth place.

Perhaps more tellingly, Greenberg asked activists to name the issue that "you, personally, spend the most time advancing currently." The winner, again, was health care reform. Next came "working to elect progressive candidates in the 2010 elections." Then came a bunch of other issues. At the very bottom -- last place, named by just one percent of participants -- came working to end U.S. involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It's an extraordinary change in the mindset of the left. I attended the first YearlyKos convention, and have kept up with later ones, and it's safe to say that for many self-styled "progressives," the war in Iraq was the animating cause of their activism. They hated the war, and they hated George W. Bush for starting it. Or maybe they hated the war because George W. Bush started it. Either way, it was war, war, war.

Now, not so much.

Cindy Sheehan is learning that. She's still protesting the war, and on Monday she announced plans to demonstrate at Martha's Vineyard, where President Obama will be vacationing.

"We as a movement need to continue calling for an immediate end to the occupations [in Iraq and Afghanistan] even when there is a Democrat in the Oval Office," Sheehan said in a statement. "There is still no Noble Cause no matter how we examine the policies."

Give her credit for consistency, if nothing else. But her days are over. The people who most fervently supported her have moved on.

Not too long ago, some observers worried that Barack Obama would come under increasing pressure from the Left to leave both Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, it seems those worries were unfounded. For many liberal activists, opposing the war was really about opposing George W. Bush. When Bush disappeared, so did their anti-war passion.

Byron York, The Examiner's chief political correspondent, can be contacted at byork@washingtonexaminer.com. His column appears on Tuesday and Friday, and his stories and blog posts appears on www.ExaminerPolitics.com ExaminerPolitics.com



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Steve

Aug 18, 2009

That's some pretty weak analysis. The assumption implicit in it is that all wars are the same. While some on the left are against war broadly, most progressives were specifically against the Iraq war because it was the wrong target and mismanaged.

Obama is slowly pulling us out of Iraq, the correct thing to do. He's escalating Afghanistan, but that's actually the right war to be in. So there's little to complain about there.

 

Rick

Aug 18, 2009

"Afghanistan, but that's actually the right war to be in".

Bush was in both Iraq & Afghanistan and both are linked. By winning in Iraq makes the Afghan war less difficult.

The Left only used the issue of war to regain power.

 

jda

Aug 18, 2009

So the rallying cry back during the Bush years was, "Send our boys to Afganistan!"? "Slowly pull our boys out of Iraq!"? No, it was "Bring our boys home, now!".

The whole thing reminds me of a comment I read in which a poster laughed and claimed all conservatives were wing-nut "birthers" and when pressed on the issue of Bush foreknowing 9/11, claimed that was something different. That was real.

Sometimes partisanship clouds judgement. The "right war" is the one your President leads and the "wrong one" is the one your opponent presses. Sometimes the same war can go from right to wrong (or vice versa) after the magical month of November....

 

gladRocks

Aug 18, 2009

Actually, Obama is holding to Bush's withdrawal timetable and breaking the promised timetable he swore he would follow during the campaign...

 

StargazerInSavannah

Aug 18, 2009

Steve could well be a spokesperson for the left. Dem talking points in his comments disclose that his fingers were moving while his brain was still in PARK..
The current Adminsitration has not a clue about military strategy, operations or economics...
You got your 'Chicago Thugs' who are quickly destroying the economy and will just as quickly FU any military operation..
Having been there and done that, I don't accept the mindless dribble that comes out of the mouth of the "Commander of Chief"
Waiting for the new O program that provides citizenship to Gitmo detainees before moving them to Conus to guarantee terrorists all the rights of citizens.

 

Jon Do

Aug 18, 2009

Can you say "Hypocrites"?

 

Sally

Aug 18, 2009

With all due respect to the other comment, I do not see day after day the media listing the number of American forces killed as happen with Bush or the protestors up in arms over drones killing the civilian population. I do not see protestors crying out about Obama's abysmal human rights policies. Nor did I see these progressives have a fit when Pakistan made a deal with the "good" Taliban & they came within 60 miles of Islamabad. (I guess that is right targeted & not mismanagement?)

I am glad the commentator feels that Afghanistan is the "right" war - my question is "what is the definition of right?"

 

HypnoToad

Aug 18, 2009

HA! Steve is the perfect Democrat! The asskissery of the Obots goes on, unimpeded by facts or hypocrisy! Hey, Steve, what about Gitmo? Is that going right also, now that President Training Pants has again adopted Bush's stance?

 

R. L. Hails Sr. P. E.

Aug 18, 2009

No one could write a novel as bizarre as recent history. Until the economy collapsed, days before the election, and hours after John McCain admitted that he did not understand economics, the single riveting campaign issue, for years, was Obama's anti-Bush's war position. Not America's war, Bush's war. Yet POTUS Obama is following GWB's war policy almost to the letter. It is as if Obama campaigned arm-in-arm with to Donald Rumsfeld. Yet no one notes the absurdity. People who screamed about Gitmo, now discuss single payer plans, and clunker subsidies. People who demanded war crimes trials for Cheney, are silent as the identical conduct continues. Supposedly the world's opinion of America has miraculously been restored, but for no reason, and no evidence.

It is bizarre. Can a majority of voters have total amnesia, or be that irrational? It is frightening to consider.

 

Dan A

Aug 18, 2009

The main reason that healthcare has surpassed the war in Iraq as the latest "progressive" hot button issue is that is what they are being told is their main focus. You see, progressives don't think for themsleves, they let organizations like DailyKos, Moveon.org and the media do it for them. Progressives don't stand for anything, they just follow orders.

 

NewJersey

Aug 18, 2009

Thanks for saying in print what I thought the entire time Bush was in office. The"anti-war" protesters never cared about the war, or the the troops, or the country; they hated Bush for the unpardonable sin of being a conservative Republican, and so anything he did was wrong. Their sudden change of direction in January 2009 proves me right.

 

The Word

Aug 18, 2009

Steve, how is this article and its argument "weak"? The proof is in the pudding. Are you honestly saying that the Left even cares about the Middle East conflict anymore, now that Bush isn't running it?

And if you even TRY stating that the passion of the Left during the Bush Administration wasn't about their sheer hatred of all things GW, then not only have you lost your argument, you come off as either a phony or a lunatic.

 

Black Saint

Aug 18, 2009

We all know the Left wing is the biggest defenders of free speech, empathy, and compassion in this Nation as long as it is their free speech etc. otherwise any name calling or any means is legitimate to shut any and all up they disagree with!

 

myna

Aug 18, 2009

anti-protesters are just stooges for the DNC. They don't really care how many men died there. They are just whoring themselves for big bucks.

 

nick

Aug 18, 2009

Steve -

I'm afraid you're sorely misinformed as Obama is following the designated withdrawal pattern that was unveiled by the MNF under the Bush administration. I can't be bothered to look it up on the MNF site, but every 6 mos the position is reviewed and indeed "American troops are standing down as Iraqi troops stand up."

 

It's So Obvious

Aug 18, 2009

There was never an 'anti-war movement'. It was always a media driven anti-Bush movement. Proof? It disappeared when GW did.

It's so obvious.

 

LiberalHypocrite

Aug 18, 2009

The saddest part of this entire commentary is the vacuous hypocrisy of the left. Better called by its real name: treason.

The democrats attacked the war in order to score political points. They harmed the future of our country, and impaired foreign relations to ensure political office for *themselves*.

They are simply *repulsive*. Whether its Sharpton, Jackson, Obama, Barney Frank, Dodd, Murtha - I would rather associate with prostitutes and thieves. At least prostitutes and thieves have a chance of being honest.

Q: How can you tell a democrat is lying:
A: He's breathing.

 

Prospector

Aug 18, 2009

In the case of President Obama, it is clearly evident that the Left issued premature immaculation.

 

jo

Aug 18, 2009

It just shows the left as the gutless, hypocrites they are. Their phony compassion for our military is appalling. They are gutless cowards.

 

jr565

Aug 18, 2009

Can I start calling the democrats like Steve chicken hawks now? After all, Obama needs to escalate the war if Afghanistan and people are dying as we speak. Why isn't Steve,and the daily KOSers who supports the good war not over there fighting. Where are all the senators kids who are not volunteering for the war and why is there no outrage about it? Where is all the outrage about the
air raids killing innocent civilians. Apparently, OBama's air raiding and killing of civilians just doesn't hurt as much as Bush's so doesn't rate the venomous protests.

Oh yeah, because the libs are complete and utter hypocrites and only banged the anti war drum because they wanted their guys back in power. And oh yeah, because now dissent is no longer the highest form of patriotism. Now if you dissent you are a racist redneck straight up. Yet more of the lefts completely bankrupt and cynical campaign of false talking points.

 

Alex

Aug 18, 2009

Steve
That's some pretty weak analysis. The assumption implicit in it is that all wars are the same. While some on the left are against war broadly, most progressives were specifically against the Iraq war because it was the wrong target and mismanaged.

---------------------
no spin there. Sorry, but you guys were insistent on pulling out Iraq yesterday, but with a Dem in the WH, the timeline can be as fuzzy as necessary. Where is Code Pink? Where are the 'war for oil' brigades? And somehow, I don't recall a lot of enthusiasm for Afghanistan, either, but it's not really about policy now is it? It's about politics.

 

DB

Aug 18, 2009

Some of us are buying too much into the false "right v. left" view of the world.

The two parties don't exist on such a spectrum.

Obama was advised by a pro-foreign-military-intervention scholar. You may remember she called Hillary Clinton a monster?

Many if not most Democrats are for wars... just wars they can believe in. They would invade Darfur to protect villages. They would invade Iran to protect women. Or places that practice mercy killings, or female circumcision, or whatever.

There are also republicans for this, but fewer as the party tends to attract folks with more conservative impulses than liberal ones. The above is a liberal application of war.

There are war-liberals in the republican party--those who like using war. But more enthusiasm for wars that expand economic control by american companies, which is why we never depose brutal dictators that don't have natural resources we need.

 

war and medicine

Aug 18, 2009

Bush had to fight the war that nancy gorilla memo didn't stop. 911 was caused by the democrats just like the hijacking of healthcare is a democrat proposition. There is only one answer to the rationing of healthcare. It's not age but IQ. Older intelligent people whose IQ say exceed a black inner city youf should have medical care while the less intelligent inner city youf should be left to take barac's blue pill.

 

Warpublican

Aug 18, 2009

Byron York disingenuous? Obama RAN on ramping up the war in Afghanistan - had the left disagreed, they would've voted for someone else. As an earlier poster said, Iraq was a HUGE mistake - Afghanistan - also a mistake - but a different kind of mistake. Look, Republicans OWN 9/11 - they held both houses of Congress and the White house on THAT day - they also own Iraq and Afghanistan. Most progressives don't see this as Obama's war - but more Bush detritus left to clean up...

 

Joe

Aug 18, 2009

Warpublican, get your facts straight. Democrats were the majority in the Senate on 9/11. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though. By your measure then, the Democrats OWN the current recession. Fair enough.

 

Doug

Aug 18, 2009

Byron must not have been paying much attention. The war of choice in IRAQ is what they were opposing. Obama was very clear all through the campaign that he intended to take the fight to the Taliban and Al Queda in Afganistan. There is no inconsistency here. Obama is carrying out the plan exactly as advertised.

 

godfodder

Aug 18, 2009

To understands the Left's behavior in this matter (and all others), you only have to remember their deep weakness for cults of personality. Almost by definition, people on the Left believe that there are "special" people who "deserve" to have authority over the rest of us ignorant, trashy, SUV-driving plebes. Think about it... FDR, Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton, Obama... in their day they ALL had an "elevated man" personality cult around them. The cult is essential to the Left because it is what justifies the need for the few to control the rest of us.

The war problem is solved because Obama, by his status as demi-god (elevated intellect, extraordinary compassion, far-seeing wisdom), simply makes it OK by doing it. That's how personality cults work-- the leader defines right and wrong, and the rest of us cannot.

Add a dash of doublethink, and viola! You have the Left's sudden pro-war stance.

 

wendys mom

Aug 18, 2009

Since Obama took office Sthinkprogress.com does not post stories on the war or comment about the death count anymore. When Bush was President every day someone was killed they had a death count story. July 2009 had high death count in Afghanistan and all they could post about was healthcare .
Hey stinkprogress!!!
What about he innocent Afghanistan children that have been murdered under Commander in Chief Obama??? How many have been killed any progressives know?

 

Feng

Aug 18, 2009

Sally wrote: "I do not see day after day the media listing the number of American forces killed as happen with Bush"

Yep. Even NPR, when they pause from selling Obama and his healthcare plan, is treating the current war in Afghanistan in an extremely favorable light.

 

Bill Sanford

Aug 18, 2009

Face it; Liberals are fools.

Real liberals believed the anti-war kos/cnn/cbs/abc/newsweek... stuff. They voted for Obama. They still have War.

Liberals are fools.

 

RHO1953

Aug 18, 2009

Hypocrites. All of them. The left has no moral compass. They can go all over the landscape because they have no core beliefs. Obama was handed a victory in Iraq. His followers will pretend Afghanistan doesn't exist. What a bunch of shallow jerks.

 

wendys mom

Aug 18, 2009


Obama said this war is fundamental
Yea Afghanistan is a real threat to US.

 

leftyloosey

Aug 18, 2009

As one who used to participate in anti-war protests I could say that I saw the hypocrisy coming. The Left, liberals, Progressives - whatever you call them ARE good at following orders. In many ways no different than the masses on the Right who do the same. Obama was going to follow a war path, and you could see this a mile away - before his election. I didn't vote. It's futile. This country will continue to waste away. Billions for military contractors, education, healthcare - Inefficiency at its best.

 

wendys cousin

Aug 18, 2009

Even fake news guy Keith Olbymann does not count the Afghanistan children as murdered. Keith hates Bush but loves Obama. Just ask his "leg tingling" buddy Chris Matthews

 

SteveC

Aug 18, 2009

With Bush, the "soft" target was the war. The left's protest could survive on a steady diet of bad news from the "front." When the news became mostly good (e.g., very few fatalities), it did become hard for them to say anything other than unconditional withdrawal.

After the election, when the troop commitment to Afghanistan actually began to expand, the left couldn't really start bad-mouthing Obama, could they? Has to be frustrating for them, no?

Bone-headed that she is, you are right in giving Ms. Sheehan some credit for sticking to her mission, but will she demean Obama the way she demeaned Bush?

You know she won't, and for that she should be criticised for her hypocrisy.

 

PhilMcKraken

Aug 18, 2009

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." - John Stuart Mill

 

LeftyHypocrites

Aug 18, 2009

Agreed. Good point. It was always the "anti-GWB" movement from the beginning. He could say "the sky is blue" and fifty lefty wacko websites would be disagreeing with him within minutes. Sometime War is a required evil. The lefties seem to understand that a LOT better now that BO is in office.

 

Wizard

Aug 18, 2009

Hyocrites to the max. Near complete media control. Hang in there Fox and radio talk shows, continue to expose them.

 

cainfla

Aug 18, 2009

The left and the Dems never got over 2000 and Bush beating Gore.....NEVER. It only worsened when they tried Kerry and lost again. After that it was all hate all the time. Now that BHO is in, it's all OK and the pain of 2000 is masked, regardless of the shambles we'll be in the next 3 1/2 years.

 

ricky

Aug 18, 2009

Duh Left loved Saddam so much they elected a Hussein.

 

ricky

Aug 18, 2009

When President Bush the Elder had an army in the field, The Treasonous Left threatened to withdraw funding unless he raised taxes.

When President Bush the Great had an army in the field, The Treasonous Left used every single enemy victory against him.

These people are *NOT* Americans. Their loyalty is transparent and shallow. Their loyalty is to every enemy of the United States of America. Any enemy will do.

They elected Obama because they thought they were voting for Osama.

 

mvfreeman

Aug 18, 2009

I believe Kos pretty much admitted as much when he said his movement wasn't necessarily about policy, but tactics and perceptions aimed at hurting Bush and/or the right.

The couldn't care less about the actual policies involved, as long as it could be exploited for maximum negative political impact.

 

Russ in NC

Aug 18, 2009

The Iraq War is over. It ended last January. We won, by the way, in case you haven't been keeping up. Iraq oil is in the pipeline and will soon be in your gas tank. As for Pakistan and Afghanistan and Iran, those wars continue.

 

Fernando

Aug 18, 2009

From Spain. I support all military actions against terrorists, mainly muslims that would like to end our freedom and our way of life. God Bless America. God Bless our Liberty and our Civilisation.

 

Conservative Steve

Aug 18, 2009

What Byron describes has been the M.O. of the anti-war left for most of the 20th century, and clearly continues to this day.

If the argument is "All war is wrong" then anti-war opposition must be equally applied - regardless of the political affiliation of the president.

Clearly, it is not.

The bottom line is the anti-war left are simply hypocrites, "useful idiots" and little more than a political weapon - to be used exclusively against Republicans.

 

ManOfColor

Aug 18, 2009

Progressives = Self-Hating Suicidal Hypocrites brainwashed by Cultural Marxist Critical Theory.

 

jr565

Aug 18, 2009

Steve is a chickenhawk who likes to sendother peoples children to fight wars of choice. Steve has no problems with wars that last longer than WWII. Steve has no problems with us air raiding civilians and using phosphorous. Steve has no problems with us occupying countries. Hey Steve, are the Taliban the freedom fighters and minutemen?
Do Afghanistan terrorists have no moral claims to defending themselves from the occupying aggressors?
Steve has no problem invading countries for their oil. After all, Michael Moore did mention that Unocol pipeline in his propaganda film, as the REAL reason we went there.
So in short, Steve is suddenly a neocon warmonger. Welcome to the club you facist hypocrite.

 

jr565

Aug 18, 2009

If Cindy Sheehan were to stand outside the whitehouse and again demand all our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan would Maureen Dowd again say she had absolute moral authority, or would she be a racist tea bagging redneck trying to get in the way of Obama's agenda?
Considering the near clampdown on all war related reporting since Obama was elected, I would think here best bet is simply ignoring any such stories.Certainly nothing to get her panties in a wad about.

 

Elbert

Aug 18, 2009

Yes, the lefties did beat up on George W. Bush something terrible over the Iraq War. They will continue to beat up on him about something, anything until they are reelected in 2010 and 2012 and then they will drop him like a hot potato. At that point Obummer will be home free for his second term along with a nice, cushy retirement with all the perks for life which could be 40 years or more, right? You can't beat that, can you?

But not to worry, George W., in the meantime will be sitting in his den at his TEXAS ranch laughing his rearend off at the clowns back in the cesspool called Washington D.C.

 

jarhead e6

Aug 18, 2009

yes its very funy how the left view the wars, the city i live near is full of them, in traffic its a sea of obama bumper stickers, last year the libs help a protest against the war and were so fired up about BRING THEM HOME NOW! I want them home too, but at the moment we got to take it to them.. As a former MARINE it was my duty to fight for the country i love, and believe me, i would rather take it to them than have it happen here again, but the left throw all of the blame on Pres Bush, yes he was not the smartest guy, but i believe he did all he could to protect the U.S.A. I wonder how long it will take them to wise up and see obama for what he is, A SOCIALIST! and that cindy lady.. she needs to get her head examined, the loss of here son is great,and sad, but he knew the risk when he signed up,i do hate that he died, along with all of my fallen comrades. But without people like us, the world would be a much much dangerous place. And yes i miss Pres BUSH too..

 

fawkes

Aug 18, 2009

oh the explanations, since when did the left think any war was right, oh there I go again assuming the left expands their thinking past emotion. Obama has surpassed Bill Clinton as the Liar in Chief.

 

Troy

Aug 18, 2009

Ummm, Russ, in NC? The Iraq war is over? If you had your TV on last night, you may have heard that the General in charge there asked for more troops to be sent to the Kurdistan region of Iraq to help quell "new uprisings" by insurgents (also a term you never hear anymore by the MSM), and this may delay troop withdrawls even further. Of course, what's going on inside your own head will certainly overwhelm anything that's true in reality. Thanks for your astute analysis.

 

SolidState

Aug 18, 2009

The war has been relegated to tiny blurbs at the bottom of the newspaper since the chosen one took office. If you were to come here from another planet and pick up an American newspaper you wouldn’t even know that two major military offensives are occurring in the Middle East right now, it gets so little coverage now.

 

Troy

Aug 18, 2009

Oh, and Russ, one more thing. How can you say we won, when your beloved Harry Reid already declared the war "lost" over 2 years ago?

 

Jack Sheet

Aug 18, 2009

Don't forget the media's complicity in this complete reversal from Obama's fierce moral urgency to end the war.

The MSM portrayed the wars as quagmires but now that Obama is CinC (and he has been handed victory by his predecessor) there are no multi-hour broadcasts of pictures of every casualty.

What changed?

 

wendys aunt

Aug 18, 2009

He promised us no war.

When Obama lied people died...

 

Zach

Aug 18, 2009

You claim the left is inconsistent. It is not. All leftist/communist wars or revolutions are morally just and all wars of capitalist countries are morally unjust. It's that simple. That's the only explanation for how leftists can hate Bush for the Iraq war but worship Che, Fidel, et al. for being freedom fighters. And since Obama is a leftist, any war he participates in must be morally just. Case closed.

 

George Soros

Aug 18, 2009

I am calling off my pit bulls: Stinkprogress, HuffPo,KOS, DU, kiddies,Keith Odermann & Racheal Muddow.

No more war stories while Obama is Pres or I quit funding you guys...

 

Bobb Dobbs

Aug 18, 2009

The left has never been anti-war. For instance during the Vietnam war, they weren't against the war, they were for the other side.

 

Billy

Aug 18, 2009

To be a member of KOS one must also be a Hypocrite. Its in their mission statement ;)

 

Pogue Mahone

Aug 18, 2009

And the anti Vietnam protestors were hard to find once the draft ended

 

Kathy

Aug 18, 2009

Generally studies use the same guinea pigs--make protesters order their priorities (same items on the list) during and after Bush. Health care was always a big issue, but now--it’s on the table, about to be passed into law--most wanted to see a resolution by August so it became a priority; doesn’t mean they don't give a crap about our troops all of a sudden. I could be protesting for animal rights everyday, but that doesn't mean it's my top priority. Thanks for the effort in this superficial psychoanalysis, but dig deeper next time.

 

usr102

Aug 18, 2009

Liberals focus on the hot button issue currently in vogue at the time but can't sustain the work needed for long term progress.

 

Kathy

Aug 18, 2009

Health care was always a big issue, now--it’s on the table, about to be passed--most wanted a resolution by August so it became a priority; doesn’t mean they suddenly don't give a crap about our troops. I could protest for animal rights everyday without it being my top priority. There’s truth to this article, but it is a very superficial psychoanalysis; dig deeper next time, then it’s a story.

 

Kathy

Aug 18, 2009

Health care was always a big issue, now--it’s on the table, about to be passed--most wanted a resolution by August so it became a priority; doesn’t mean they suddenly stopped caring about our troops. I could protest for animal rights everyday without it being my top priority. There’s truth to this article, but it’s a very superficial psychoanalysis; dig deeper next time, then it’s a story.

 

Writer

Aug 18, 2009

Don't forget the mobs in Orwell's 1984, with their amazing ability to shift their passions whenever Big Brother dictated. This people are much the same.

 

Third Party in 2012

Aug 18, 2009

Steve, I read the article a second time after reading your comment, and I still don't detect an implication that "all wars are the same." Even if Mr York were to explicity say so, the point of the article is that the majority of the Left stopped talking about the war when Obama won the White House. As for your claim that Obama is responsible for our withdrawal from Iraq, this is simply untrue. Iraq made a turn for the better during the last year or so of Bush's administration, and the trend has continued through the 2008 Election. To borrow a word from the President himself, success in Iraq was "inherited". However, citizens such as yourself will certainly give credit to Obama for this success, regardless of just how little he contributed to it. (His opposition to the "surge", for instance).

 

Dan H.

Aug 18, 2009

A lot of left-wing protests are simply political theater. They're a chance to get out in public and vent and attack a Republican.

This didn't just happen with the war. The left was mostly silent when Bill Clinton passed the Defense of Marriage Act. Then they became enraged and marched against George W. Bush for simply upholding it. Now they are silent again when Barack Obama says that marriage should be between a man and a woman.

It's not about the issue. It's about 'their side' being in power. Period.

 

Dolmance

Aug 18, 2009

Nonsense. The Iraq War was unnecessary. Not only that, it was incredibly expensive. We spent the lives of 4000 Americans, hundreds of thousands wounded and the expenditure of a trillion plus dollars. And for what? Iraqi democracy? Democracy won't exist in Iraq during our lifetime, unless we're there to prop it up. Obama is getting us out and so there's nothing to protest. And as far as Afghanistan is concerned - very few people on the Left were against that war, which was completely compromised by the last administration when they sent the bulk of our available forces to topple Saddam Hussein and occupy the country while the various factions conducted a vicious ethnic cleansing that we made possible.

 

WTF

Aug 18, 2009

My comment is going to be short and simple. Bush 2008 = Ruined Economy
Bush 2006 = Spying on Americans
Bush 2005 = Horrible Katrina Response
Bush 2004 = Lied to get re- elected
Bush 2003 = Lied to get us into War with Iraq
Bush 2002 = Didn't have a clue
Bush 2001 = Presided over the worse Terrorist Attached in U.S. history
OK - Obama is doing his best to clean up this mess. Give him a break.

 

wendys mom

Aug 18, 2009

Lefts cry for "anybody but Bush"
got them Mr. Anybody Hussian.

 

George Soros

Aug 18, 2009

WTF works for me. Checks in the mail.

 

York is a hack

Aug 18, 2009

So basically Kos represents the entirety of progressive thought? Yeah no. Stereotypes are easy. They're also for lazy hacks. Rachel Maddow's been talking down Afghanistan for months, to name just one instance, and she's even on the teevee!

Also, gee, I could've swore that I recently read about a CNN poll where Democrats overwhelmingly opposed Afghanistan and Republicans supported it 2:1. Doesn't reality suck Byron?

 

Clairity

Aug 18, 2009

2008 Dems had control of congress and purse strings for 2 years
2006 Dems got control of congress kept spying
2005 NO was run by Dems and the problems of Katrina were decades in the making
2004 Kerry lied worse and was caught and exposed as a liar who tried to use his military experience as a reason to get elected despite being an anti-war protestor.
2003 - Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton lied about Iraq as well I guess, as did Kerry, Gore and every memeber of Congress who voted for the resolution
2002 - Highest Apporval Rating for a President since FDR.
2001 - Was President when a terrorist attack planned in the 90s happened.

Obama getting MSM coverage since 2 years before he was elected.

Before Dems took control of Congress 4.9% unemployemnt, Dow at 14K, Debt at $400B, We live for those days now don't we?

 

sergesret

Aug 18, 2009

There was never that large of a committed anti-war movement. The largest protest by far that I attended was right before the war actually started in the Spring of 2003. Everything since then has been on a much smaller scale. And sure, Democrats in general have opposed the Iraq war but at this point the general feeling is that is winding down and everyone is focused on this health care issue. And as for the Afghanistan war, while there is a hard core that is against that and all wars, a majority of those against Iraq are not against the Afghan war because there is an understanding a failed state there can spell real trouble. As with Iraq, Obama is being given a chance to deal with the situation there.

 

Karl

Aug 18, 2009

Bush = Obama = Fascists Wall Street Warmongers. Did you really expect a difference?

 

Sherrod Browh

Aug 18, 2009

9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!

 

Aug 18, 2009

Of course he is going to take a dim view of the left and of Obama's policies...York was the White House correspondent for the conservative National Review magazine and is considered a conservative columnist:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_York



 

Dude

Aug 18, 2009

I made a point of protesting the Iraq War after Obama was President.

If you want to know why so few a re doing the same right now It may have much to do with just how few servicemen we are losing monthly.

 

ROBinDALLAS

Aug 19, 2009

Bush was the worst president in the history of the USA. Obama is continuing to disappoint and may give W a run for his money. The reason we are in Afghanistan is because the transnational oil and gas companies, specifically UNOCAL, wants to put a natural gas pipeline across that country. The other reason is because he is being advised by Zbigniew Brzezinski, the globalist "grand chess board" player. He wants to control Pakistan to position the US strategically against Russia and China. The wars are about money for the military contractors and the transnational oil and gas companies. The left/right paradigm is bogus. All presidents work for the same constituents, and that isn't you or me.

 

Deez

Aug 19, 2009

I love how Steve's comment about the real mission in Afghanistan, and how the *completely bogus* Iraq war distracted from it has so many of you foaming at the mouth.

YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE TERRORISTS.

REPEAT. YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE TERRORISTS.

find any WMD's yet?

 

nader paul kucinich gravel

Aug 19, 2009

Anderson Baldwin Carter Choate Clemente Gonzalez Gravel Kaptur Kucinich McKinney Nader Paul Perot Sheehan Ventura

 

Dan S.

Aug 19, 2009

Still hate the wars and want to see the troops home. I've just given up believing that either party will do it. Unless a bunch of Greens get elected, I think there will be wars of choice always going to keep our defense contractors busy.

 

Michael Perkins

Aug 19, 2009

I am so sick of hearing "Afghanistan is the right war", both wars are wrong and should end TODAY no matter who is President, in Afghanistan approx. 15 innocent civilians are killed for each "bad guy" and in Iraq we have killed over a million people for NOTHING but money, if that is acceptable to you I think you need intensive psychological help. I wonder how many of you war supporters have lost a child, brother or friend, I have and it is not worth it. We can spend a trillion dollars a year on killing people but we can't take care of our own countrymen, that is the definition of a civilization in decline.

 

myna

Aug 19, 2009

Agreed. Anti-war are just useful idiots. They are true in their form. Must be waiting for money gravy from the 787 billion.

 

aoije@msn.com

Aug 19, 2009

>>>"Still hate the wars and want to see the troops home. I've just given up believing that either party will do it."

Yes, and how conveeeeenient that you just gave up believing that either party will do it once one of your Democrats gets elected, wouldn't you say? You just happenned to have given up come the day Bush is gone. Again, how conveeeenient. Because pressing Team Obama on the issue just isn't as "useful" as going after the other team, right? Thanks for proving Mr. York's point.

 

The Truth

Aug 19, 2009

Cindy Sheehan To Lead Protest Against Obama Continuing Bush Wars.
Sheehan will travel to Martha’s Vineyard where Obama Obama will be vacationing the week of August 23-30.

 

clay

Aug 19, 2009

Thanks for exposing this hypocrisy. Where are the peaceniks demanding a time line? Where are the liberal congress people demanding an exit strategy? Where is Bill Maher accusing Obama of being a coward, especially now that he's using unmanned drones, which have killed many civillians? Where is the press on reporting that we've had the bloodiest 2 months in Afghanistan since the war began? Where is the press asking "what exactly is the plan? "why were you against the surge in Iraq (that worked) but think it's ok now? and "exactly how does your strategy differ from that of Pres. Bush? I guess, like the womens movement, AARP, and ACORN, it's never really been about women, seniors, or communities, but ideoligical power.

 

dee

Aug 19, 2009

In Iraq we were fighting Al Queda, right? In Afganistan we're fighting the Taliban, right? I didn't know the Taliban were responsible for 9/11, RIGHT?

 

Sabastian Curry

Aug 19, 2009

What the left hates are normal freedom loving individuals. It was never about anything else than individualism vs. collectivism. The war was just an excuse to hate "conservatives", and the individualism they stand for.

Of coarse, the wars are a complete waste of time, but who cares now that the individualists are out of power.

 

Kajun

Aug 19, 2009

It is refreshing to read that there are others who see the hypocrits for what they are. This Dem takeover of our country was all based on lies about Bush, and bringing our country to its knees to gain power for themselves. They want socialism pure and simple and will do anything to achieve that goal.

 

Granny Grunch

Aug 19, 2009

If she isnt going after GB anymore and is going after the dear leader, she is now my main lady.

 

Michael Perkins

Aug 19, 2009

What planet are you living on Kajun,GW Bush is the most traiterous criminal to EVER inhabit the White House, he is responsible for 4331 dead & 100,000 wounded US Troops & a million dead civilians so his contributors could get richer, he deserves prison time at hard labor.There are no lies wild enough to cover what GW Bush did. I am one of fourteen combat veterans in my family , do you want to take our socialist healthcare ( VA) from us or your grandparents (medi care)? You know what I dislike about "conservatives", the cowardly way they start wars and sit back while others ,my "LIBERAL" family, fight & die for.

 

Lizbeth

Aug 19, 2009

The left haS a demonic hatred for President Bush and a Messianic love for Obama, the One, The Annointed, The Savior of the World and whatever lord Most Merciful does about the war is FINE.

 

Jesse

Aug 19, 2009

In case any of your morons here want to get a clue, on 9/11/2001 we were attacked by Al Qaeda, which is based in Afghanistan! The Left was behind this, remember Bush's approval was above 80%.

 

Jesse

Aug 19, 2009

But before even finishing the job in Afghanistan, suddenly we're going to war in Iraq, on the fabricated pretext that there are WMDs there, even though the UN had dismantled the program while Clinton was President. The Bush administration didn't want to listen to the UN, or to our European allies, or even to the majority of the CIA, that said there were no WMDs. Instead they chose to listen to the CIA members who said there were, which were in the minority -- and who knows -- might have been working with the administration on this fabrication.

So what you Republicans so stubbornly defend is a billionaire oil tycoon family that lied to the nation to settle a grudge, refused to capture bin Laden, and quite frankly ruined your own party. Way to go Bush family. Yeah, those billionaire oil tycoon Saudi royalty-loving Bushes really were great for the GOP and for America.

 

Mike_VA_Beach

Aug 19, 2009

2001 - bums in WH / Congress: 9/11 happens, dems blame bush, 3000 Americans die. Start war with Afghanistan.
2003 - bums in WH / Congress: War with Iraq begins.
2005 - bums in WH / Congress: Katrina levels New Orleans, both Republicans and Democrats blame each other. People die while politicians argue with each other.
2006 - bums in WH / Congress: Democrats take control of Congress. Nothing changes at all. 2 wars, deficits still exist.
2008 - bums in WH / Congress: BHO campaigns on ending war and closing Gitmo.
2009 - bums in WH / Congress: BHO elected, 2 wars continue, Gitmo is open, health care is the biggest issue.

How can anyone not see that everyone is a huge waste of oxygen and food? They are all bums with their own selfish motives? We need to put statesmen in office that think America first, and themselves second. What a bunch of bums. Let's get rid of them. All of them.

 

LiteralReasoning

Aug 19, 2009

Consider this; its better to fight battles on enemy soil. In order to fight a jihad you need to take the fight to them and on your terms, otherwise you will cleaning up messes in your cities. Afghanistan is a stretch, but Iraq is VERY centrally located within the Middle East. Porous borders, year round fighting season, and a populous that is easily reiled into nationalistic pride. Yes the plan worked, we killed thousands upon thousands of would be hi-jackers, suicide bombers in Iraq with little American collateral damage. Who cares what the method was to get our war fighters in theater, the ends justifies the means.

 

Mr Conehead

Aug 19, 2009

These "wars" are excellent training for our troops. WAR = Is to win at ALL cost, we are NOT doing that. So this is simply training and weapons testing.

 

jr565

Aug 19, 2009

Hey Jesse,
Quick question for you. Did Clinton wag the dog?

 

Aug 19, 2009

Jesse is a liar. We were continuing a containment program BECAUSE the idea that Iraq had disarmed had not been verified. In fact if you go back to 1998, Clinton passed the Iraq Liberation Act which called for a regime change in Iraq and a transition to democracy all because Iraq, in Clintons view refused to comply. And after Iraq refused to comply Clinton in fact bombed them. Then all inspectors were removed from the country. So where are you getting it into your head that somehow the UN or the US had resolved the issue?

 

jr565

Aug 19, 2009

Jesse, Get your facts straight. 1998 was the last time, until Bush took office that inspectors were even in Iraq, and the argument at that time was that Iraq was not comlying (which is why the ILA was needed, and why Clinton was not in fact wagging the dog when he bombed Iraq).
Considering all inspection left prior to Clinton bombinb Iraq for non compliance and no inspectors were allowed back in till Bush placed the Navy on Iraqs borders and the UN passed 1441, where in the historical record are you determining that Iraq had in fact verifiably disarmed or where is it documented that the US had closed the books on IRaq in regards to its WMD program?
We'll wait for some evidence Jesse.

 

jr565

Aug 19, 2009

Jesse, Get your facts straight. 1998 was the last time, until Bush took office that inspectors were even in Iraq, and the argument at that time was that Iraq was not comlying (which is why the ILA was needed, and why Clinton was not in fact wagging the dog when he bombed Iraq).Considering all inspection left prior to Clinton bombing Iraq for its non compliance and no inspectors were allowed back in till Bush took office and the UN passed 1441, where in the historical record are you determining that Iraq had in fact verifiably disarmed that anyone monitoring them thought this to be the case?

 

jr565

Aug 19, 2009

Jesse,1998 was the last time, until Bush took office that inspectors were even in Iraq, and the argument at that time was that Iraq was not comlying (which is why the ILA was needed, and why Clinton was not in fact wagging the dog when he bombed Iraq).Considering all inspection left prior to Clinton bombing Iraq for its non compliance and no inspectors were allowed back in till Bush took office and the UN passed 1441, where in the historical record are you determining that Iraq had in fact verifiably disarmed?

 

jr565

Aug 19, 2009

Jesse,1998 was the last time, until Bush took office that inspectors were even in Iraq, and the argument at that time was that Iraq was not comlying (which is why the ILA was needed, and why Clinton was not in fact wagging the dog when he bombed Iraq).Considering all inspection left prior to Clinton bombing Iraq for its non compliance and no inspectors were allowed back in till Bush took office and the UN passed 1441, where in the historical record are you determining that Iraq had in fact verifiably disarmed?

 

jr565

Aug 19, 2009

In fact Jesse,
Here is Madeline Albright justifying their bombing of Iraq in 1998 (prior to which all inspectors were kicked out). They (the Clinton administration) are operating under the assumption that in fact Iraq HAS WMD's and the best they can do is degrade their programs. A far cry from their programs being dismantled, as you so disingenously assert.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec98/albright_12-17.html

Care to comment Jesse?

 

jr565

Aug 19, 2009

And Jesse, you ask why we didn't listen to the UN? I'd ask you, why did the UN unanimously pass resolution 1441 if in fact they thought that Iraq was in compliance.
Please point out to us, with details, the point in the historical record, in between where Clinton bombed Iraq, the congress passed the ILA and all inpsectors were removed, and Bush took office where it somehow became known that Iraq no longer was assumed to be in noncompliance.
And you are simply LYING when you say that the CIA thought that Iraq did not have WMD's. Tenet said it was a slam dunk case (that Iraq had WMD's). Can you be a bigger liar? There were questions about individual parts of the program that there was contention on. Were the aluminum tubes used for nuclear production, and here you had various groups within the agencies disagreeing. But there was NEVER a suggestion that Iraq had no WMD program or that they didn't need to be contained

 

JohnB35

Aug 19, 2009

Liberals are just that way! They even clame to be progressives now! Steve is just wrong. I bet he was the kind of guy that snorted glue in grade school!

 

Mike Knox

Aug 19, 2009

I think they're all pathetic. Back when Kennedy was in charge, everybody thought sending men to Vietnam was just great. They then protested when Johnson and Nixon were dealing with it. Now it's the same thing, all those here were bloody idiots who should've shut up. No one asked them to sacrifice like those who've fought and been hurt or killed have done. This is a sham and also Sheehan's a disgrace to all parents.

 

Robert L. Tussey

Aug 19, 2009

Poor Cindy she was told all along she was being used by the left. You would think she would now realize it too.
All the left ever cares about is defeating America.

 

mike

Aug 20, 2009

You have to hand it to Obama, he's constructed an incredible smokescreen of a domestic agenda: Health Care, Climate, Stimulus....And he has the media and the left eating right out of his hand. If his plans succeed, he will be the hero. If they fail, he'll use them as a club to paint the republicans as obstructionists. He never really cared about he war, it was just a campaign issue for him. As this article shows, the same was true of the left in general.

 

NOMOREWARS_FORISRAEL

Aug 20, 2009

More about Cindy Sheehan at the following URL which you may find of interest after your articles there:

http://america-hijacked.com/2009/08/19/what-happened-to-the-antiwar-movement-cindy-sheehan-hits-hypocrisy-of-left-democratic-allies/

http://tinyurl.com/lkge93

 

Jesse

Aug 20, 2009

Ok JR565,

Here's that slam dunk case:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/27/washington/27intel.html?ex=1335326400&en=e6f2a5232d75afb5&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

When we invaded Iraq, we gave a big middle finger to our allies and to the UN weapon inspections program.

But you're whole point is that Iraq was the right war, and Afghanistan the wrong war? Tell me again where Al Qaeda is based?

Go ahead and defend your precious billionaire oil tycoon family. Let's see, a President and his son becomes a President too. Wow, that's really American, more like an medieval dynasty.

 

Alex M

Aug 20, 2009

You know, what's interesting is that the argument "Obama is withdrawing troops" is a flat lie. The Status of Forces agreement that Obama is using to withdraw troops was negotiated and approved by the Bush White House and Congress several years ago. Bush is withdrawing the troops, and Obama is overseeing it. I'm not defending Bush or his policies, but Bush's Status of Forces agreement is why our troops left the cities, and why we'll be out by 2011. But you wait and see, all the dumb progressives will bow down and worship Obama when the last American leaves Iraq, like Obama singlehandedly flew all the planes that brought all the "war criminals" home. Progressives make me sick. They have no bearing on reality and refuse to see fact when it's inconvenient to them.

No one believe the lies that will come out of the media. Obama did not withdraw the troops, Bush's Status of Forces Agreement did.

 

huh

Aug 20, 2009

Bush murdered for oil, and now Obama is murdering for oil. Death to America.

TROOPS OUT NOW. NO WARS FOR OIL.

 

Time

Aug 20, 2009

Nothing more then HYPOCRITES !!!!!!!!!

 

jr565

Aug 20, 2009

Also Jesse, where is Al Qaeda based? All over the world. They were in Afghanistan, then fled to the hills of Pakistan. Now who knows where tehy are. Certainly not Obama. Is he even looking OBL while he air raids villages and kills civilians? But the point is, that Al Qaeda is not in a fixed location. THey move around. Like for example, into Iraq where they fought us, and would have taken over the country (and set up a proxy state) if we hadn't fought them there as well. You seem to think ceding victory to Zarqawi, when he was still alive and commiting his daily atrocities, would somehow not be a victory for Al Qaeda? You seem to think that we can only fight them where they were in 2001.Hell using your logic, since 9/11 took place in the US we should only fight Al Qaeda where they attacked us in the US.

 

HeresEggOnYourFace

Aug 20, 2009

These techies are silent because they are realizing the enemy wasn't George Bush...they just bought into the LIES of the political machine. Maybe a course in CRITICAL THINKING at their local community college might keep them from jumping on any more bandwagons.

 

Bootzilla

Aug 20, 2009

"Let's see, a President and his son becomes a President too. Wow, that's really American, more like an medieval dynasty."
Oh, shush...the Kennedy's have been doing this for the past 50 years! One dies and the next one slides in.

 

AnnaMaria

Aug 21, 2009

Liberals: What happened to all of your anti-war lawn signs? The signs have gone missing since January 20, 2009.

 

Rahwaj

Aug 21, 2009

Afghanistan was the right place to be. That's why you don't hear "liberals" complaining. After 9-11, you couldn't keep Americans from signing up for the armed forces. They signed up to go after the perpetrators of the largest act of terroism in this country. (Any one remember Pat Tillman?) Iraq had absolutly NOTHING to do with that. It looks like you all would rather keep score cards and bicker like children rather than pull together.

 

Amos

Aug 21, 2009

Bootzilla: allow me to introduce you to John Adams and his son, John Quincy Adams.

One might argue that any dynasty of relatives is improper in America, and one will find sympathy among his peers. But then, wasn't Franklin Roosevelt related to Theodore Roosevelt? Wasn't Bobby Kennedy related to John F. Kennedy? Isn't Ted Kennedy related to both?

From a strategic standpoint, Iraq may well have been more important than Afghanistan, assuming you can clean Pakistan (which is admittedly a big assumption). Creating a pluralistic democracy exactly at the crux of Arab Islamic nuttiness and Persian Islamic nuttiness is a huge problem for both. Possibly much more important – if your goal is to transform Islamofascism - than smashing bugs in backwater Afghanistan.

 

fuzzrow

Aug 21, 2009

From the day George Bush too office he has been undercut at the cost of our country. Obama couldn't mention national prayer day, but could address the muslims over Ramadam. We are going to need the troops here to undo and uproot the Socialist before it's over. When you let New England, New York City, Chicago and San Francisco tell all American how to live and what is right then you have a nation too devided to live peacefully together.

 

darwin

Aug 22, 2009

@ RobInDallas
The reason we are in Afghanistan is because the transnational oil and gas companies, specifically UNOCAL, wants to put a natural gas pipeline across that country.

" On August 10, 2005, Unocal merged with Chevron Corporation and became a wholly owned subsidiary. "

Neither Unocal nor Chevron ever attempted to build a pipeline in Afghanistan after the 2001 invasion. They still do not intend to or show any indications of attempting to intend to. If the purpose of the Afghanistan invasion was to facilitate this pipeline, it has failed miserably.

Your conspiracy theories are at least 8 years out of date. Maybe more. Jeesh.

=darwin

 

Michael Sweeeny

Aug 24, 2009

Byron:
Thank you for your Article. The speed with which the LEFT and the MSM dropped the Anti-War Protests and Reporting was actually shocking.
Fuzzrow: You might be interested in this from the American Thinker:
Obama's State Department Submits to Islam - Aug. 18,
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/obamas_state_department_submit.html
Michael

 

Arrgy

Sep 4, 2009

Can you liars say, that there is IN FACT, several anti war movements to this day and beyond? You hate filled idiots!

 

Bart

Sep 22, 2009

Arrgy, where are these anti war movements in which you speak? I have seen no coverage what so ever of these movements since Bush left office. How do you account for that? You demon-cratic moron!

 


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