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Ted Olson: “Torture” probes will never end

By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
April 24, 2009

In this image reviewed by the U.S. Military, a Guantanamo detainee is escorted by guards at Camp 4 detention facility, at the U.S. Naval Base, in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, Nov. 18, 2008. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley)

Perhaps more than anyone in Washington today, Theodore Olson knows the dangers of the path the Obama administration is traveling on the question of Bush-era terrorist interrogations.

It's not just that Olson is one of the nation's top lawyers and a former high-ranking Justice Department official. It's not even that his wife Barbara was among those killed by terrorists on September 11, 2001. The thing that makes Olson's perspective so valuable is that his life includes not only those experiences but also a keen perspective on the way Washington investigations can run amok.

In the 1980s, Olson was the subject of controversy over advice he had given, as the head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, to President Reagan on a question of constitutional privileges. His position angered Democrats in Congress, and for his troubles, Olson became the target not only of Capitol Hill investigations but a long independent counsel probe. A politically charged issue that should never have been investigated in the first place turned into a years-long nightmare.

Does that sound familiar? It's happened many times, at the instigation of both Democrats and Republicans. (By the way, Olson was ultimately found to have done nothing wrong.)

Now, the president's decision to release confidential Justice Department memos on the "enhanced interrogation techniques" used on a small number of al-Qaeda operatives has again set the Washington investigation machine in motion.

"It seems irrational and incomprehensible to me," Olson told me this week. "They have started something they can't stop, now that it's out. And what conceivable good can it do?"

Olson, who served as Solicitor General in the Bush Justice Department but was not involved in War on Terror policy decisions, knows all the figures involved. "What they were doing was endeavoring in every legal, conceivable way to protect people from being slaughtered," Olson said. "I'm not going to comment on whether it's good or bad to do things like this, but from what I understand, there was a very high level of concern regarding credible threats of imminent terrorist attacks that justified efforts to seek additional methods of interrogation."

As we talked, Olson ticked off what might lie ahead. If there is a 9/11-style commission, prospective members will have to be found, appointed, vetted, cleared of conflicts of interest, given security clearances -- and that's just for the eminences on the panel. Full-time staff will have to be recruited, and they will go through the same sort of scouring. Then commission will have to find office space and a SCIF. (For those unfamiliar with Washington security culture, that's a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility -- a totally sealed room for the handling of the most highly classified information.) There will be hearings, and subpoenas, and witnesses, and draft reports and final reports.

"And then," Olson added, "if they do that, many people are going to say you can't stop with John Yoo or Alberto Gonzales. You're going to have to investigate every member of Congress who was briefed on this, what their notes were, what records they kept, who they talked to. You're going to have to investigate leaks that implicate the press, who told what to whom. There's no foreseeable limit to how far they're going to have to go."

And that's before we get to potential prosecutions, separate investigations by various congressional committees, lawsuits in civil courts, bar association probes, and possible legal tribunals around the world.

And then -- well, why stop at the memos? "If it's prosecutable because we waterboarded somebody or deprived him of sleep, what about sending a drone to blow him up without a trial or a hearing?" Olson asked. "What if the person we blew up was carrying a three-year old child? We know things like that have happened. We know innocent people have been killed. We know this administration has done it. Are they going to be prosecuted for that?"

And finally, when everyone is finished investigating, what's to stop the next president from holding Obama administration officials "accountable" for some "controversial" action?

It might sound extreme, but the investigation machine has revved out of control before. And it will happen this time -- unless the president puts a stop to it. Olson told me he hopes there will be no replay of past probes, and then added: "But I'm too cynical to think it can be avoided."


Byron York, The Examiner’s chief political correspondent, can be contacted at byork@washingtonexaminer.com. His column appears Tuesday and Friday, and his stories and blog posts can be read daily at ExaminerPolitics.com.



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sinanju

Apr 24, 2009

Make no mistake, Obama and the Dems in Congress want nothing so much as to have Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and as many members of the former administration put in the dock. Obama is taking the slow, step-by-step approach, pretending not to have a hand in the process, trying to maintain as much deniability as possible.

Make no mistake, the only thing that will stop this process from going forward to a long drawn-out, messy conclusion is if the democrats fear they too, will be held responsible for rubber-stamping the interrogation measures that are supposedly the cause of all this. That and Obama's fear that he too, might eventually stand before a vengeful "truth commission." Either way, if former presidents and cabinet members can expect to be routinely prosecuted upon leaving office we will have truly become a banana republic.

 

Suhr Mesa

Apr 24, 2009

Ignorant hope and dream of the left: use the law to outlaw war in order to legislate peace. Kind of like changing the human heart via public policy.

 

ostap

Apr 24, 2009

"the 'enhanced interrogation techniques' used on a small number of al-Qaeda operatives"

Change that to "the torture of a large number of persons, some of whom were deeply evil, but the vast majority of whom were run of the mill criminals or completely innocent." With that change, your conclusions are asinine.

 

jim mccrory

Apr 24, 2009

ostap says:

This is a perfect example of dropping context (which is something that should not be done).

 

Htos1

Apr 24, 2009

I believe,correct me if I'm wrong,the government,in our format,is obligated to protect it's citizens as a primary function.

 

Steve

Apr 24, 2009

Typical Obama behavior. . . . .Delegate and Duck.

Fred Barnes at the Weekly Standard wrote a piece last month about Obama's S.O.P. It's been spot-on so far.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/content/public/articles/000/000/016/260gvfkl.asp

 

njw

Apr 24, 2009

There has been a noticable increase in violence in Iraq since our new commander-in-chief set out on his apology administration. We may well have another "9/11" but not to worry--it will be Bush's fault. Perhaps that is what the release of the enhanced interrogation memos is about...CYA

 

section9

Apr 24, 2009

No. This will get out of Obama's control. It now belongs in the hands of the Jacobin wing of his party.

The Karmic Justice from all this will come back to bite Obama in the butt and destroy him.

Funny how powerful men do things at the zenith of their power that destroy men.

 

JamesJ

Apr 24, 2009

Liberals honestly believe that its possible to have a utopia on earth and they've killed millions of people trying to prove it.

 

GWS

Apr 24, 2009

The weekly standard. Really Steve. More Ann Coulter journalism.

 

GWS

Apr 24, 2009

Bush lied about torture. Period. They broke the law. Stop the B.S. The Library tower incident was "foiled" prior to torture ever being initiated. We were attacked while Bush was in office and attacked in Spain and Britain after 911.

 

GWS

Apr 24, 2009

Why did we not learn about this though our torture policy? Obama did not want this but he too is not above the law. Sean Hannity said he would be waterboarded for charity because he feels its not torture. I can't wait to see that coward waterboarded.

 

GWS

Apr 24, 2009

Furthermore, since they supposedly believe that the release of the Bush torture memos has helped our enemies wouldn't the same be true of national news people constantly announcing that the country is more vulnerable to attacks now? Huh Mr. Cheney?

 

GWS

Apr 24, 2009

Liberals honestly believe that a utopia on earth is possible and they've killed millions of people trying to prove it.
****
I hate these general liberal statements.

 

GWS

Apr 24, 2009

Either way, if former presidents and cabinet members can expect to be routinely prosecuted upon leaving office we will have truly become a banana republic.
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Thank you Mr.Rove. You can't even come up with you own words can you
sinanju

 

Renee

Apr 24, 2009

I agree with Sinanju when he says Obama and the Dems in Congress want nothing so much as to have Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and as many members of the former administration put in the dock, and that Obama is taking the slow, step-by-step approach, pretending not to have a hand in the process, trying to maintain as much deniability as possible.

It is in the best interest of Obama and Dems to take the slow, step-by-step approach. That way they can continue to run against Bush in 2010 and 2012; rather than have run on their insipid, adolescent and failed policies. This presidency is doomed to fail and like Carter’s, will be ousted in 2012, and for the exact same reasons.

 

russ

Apr 24, 2009

Hopefully this endless process of criminalizing policy differences will have the effect of halting in its tracks the radical socialist & communist agenda that Barack Obama has brought to Washington DC.

 

Apr 24, 2009

I am already looking forward to the imprisonment of Barack Obama on credit card fraud and accepting foreign campaign contributions and of Michelle Obama for accepting a kickback in the form of a do nothing but high paying job.

Let the sentence of being nibbled to death by a flock of geese begin.

 

Apr 24, 2009


Lets look at the good side. If we have another terroist attack it will proably hit NY or Cal the Lib bastions.

 

Bernie

Apr 24, 2009

What we have to decide is whether something like water boarding is Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Certainly all torture technuiques are not outlawed since the supreme court has already weighed in on several such cases. It's just as easy to decide as how many angels can stand on the head of a pin.

 

Mike 2Cents

Apr 24, 2009

It's interesting to hear the 'slippery slope' argument applied to a torture investigation when it was dismissed as a reason to avoid 'enhanced techniques'.
But beyond that, Mr. Olsen is more simply motivated by his ideology. He had no issue with encouraging far ranging and never-ending investigations into possible criminal activity under the Clinton administration. It's folly to in any way consider his thoughts on this issue.
Perhaps he would be OK with seeking the truth if everyone involved was granted immunity. Doesn't anyone want to know if the US did indeed approve and carry out torture?
Also, York is quick to state as fact that Olsen's experience was a 'nightmare'. Does he feel the same way about the targets of Kenneth Starr's investigations?




 

Paul A'Barge

Apr 24, 2009

"If there is a 9/11-style commission, prospective members will have to be found, appointed, vetted, cleared of conflicts of interest, given security clearances -- and that's just for the eminences on the panel"

Yeah.

Like Jaime Gorelick.

Funny how that turned out.

 

Jose

Apr 24, 2009

The Democrats clearly want an inquisition, not an investigation, and the MSM is going right along with it. Nancy Pelosi did not raise any objections to "torture" back in 2002-2006, so why now?
The irony is that "waterboarding" is not illegal or defined as torture according to Congress itself, and by many voters in Pelosi's district, might even be considered "foreplay".

 

billy bob from TX

Apr 24, 2009

3000 innocent Americans brutally murdered by AlQueso on 9/11 and we are worried about the evil ones getting waterboarded? Get a life! Future presidents should just issue blanket amnesty for any wrong doing committed by or on behalf of their administration staff during their tenure in that administration so we can move on.

 

Brian

Apr 24, 2009

Obama needs to be removed from Office asap.

 

jake1492

Apr 24, 2009

To those here who defend the actions of those who insisted on these "agressive interrogations": Are you aware that the approved and widely practiced techniques violate the Geneva Convention and are therefore war crimes?

Why are you not outraged about that?

And why don't you see that taking an important moral and legal issue and debasing it to a simple partisan type of thinking is only self-serving.

I have no quarrel with conservatism, or with Republicanism (and I'm not a Democrat either).... but I have a big problem with corruption, amorality, and illegal activity.

Why don't you?

 

theodor

Apr 24, 2009

The enhanced interrogation probe will only weaken the U. S. and make our enemies stronger. Our national security will be compromised. The first job of the president is to keep the U. S. citizens from being harmed by our enemies.

I am thankful this administration was not in office during World War II. I think history would have had a different outcome.

During WWII I am sure the U. S. did everything in it's power to win that war, including "enhanced interrogation.
Read about it in your history books. Our leaders during that war knew what was important to achieve victory. Obama and his administration should take a lesson.

Bringing members of the Bush adminstration to trial will further polarize this nation. What happened to Obama's campaign promise to bring us all together. Barack the Polarizer.

 

dan

Apr 24, 2009

Don't fall for the democrat trap on torture.There using it to hide the bad economy

 

Jane

Apr 24, 2009

Because of the naivety of people like GWS - we are doomed

 

masochist

Apr 24, 2009

I love being waterboarded. it's like going to wild rivers!

 

e@e.net

Apr 24, 2009

Hey Theodore,

In WWI we tried and convicted japanese soldiers for war crimes because they waterboarded our GIs in the pacific.

I read about it in our history books.

investigate a BJ in the white house? OK!

investigate torture? no way!

 

e@e.net

Apr 24, 2009

WWII

 

debbieqd

Apr 24, 2009

Conservatives have been criticizing the new President for months for "unconstitutional actions." Now, they DON'T want him to follow the constitution -- because it really is quite clear on the use of torture?

 

Really, Really

Apr 24, 2009

Where was all the outrage when the Clinton administration sent terrorists, excuse me, man made disaster bringers to Egypt to be tortured. Was that okay because we let someone else do our dirty work?

I must say, the man made disaster bringers were quicker at giving up information and I suspect they were in no condition to cause man made disasters after their torture in Egypt.

I wish the Bush administration had done the same...our hands would be clean, our conscious clear, and many man made disaster bringers would be out of commission. Are we all in agreement on the Clinton policy then (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)? Great!

 

e@e.net

Apr 24, 2009

really, really,

all the Clinton outrage was centered around his pen1s. that's why.

 

Really, Really

Apr 24, 2009

e@e.net,

that's why what?

That's why it's okay to have someone do our dirty work?

That's why no one called the Clinton administration on real abuses?

That's why we live on our pedestals, because we have others do our dirty work?

That's why we're losers, because the people with money and power pit us against each other?

That's why I've lost faith in humanity, because people pick and choose when they will be outraged?

that's why...

 

Rod

Apr 24, 2009

What is worse, waterboarding or depriving someone of sleep, or putting his children and grandchildren in debt for life?

Make no mistake, if Obama goes thru with this purge, then he has already well earned his turn.

 

Apr 24, 2009

The Republicans have a hard time comprehending that this isn't some nasty little Ken Starr sex investigation that took years upon years to reach it's sleazy conclusion. This is about high crimes growing from a thoroughly corrupt administration from a thoroughly corrupt Republican Party. The Ken Starr investigation was about the GOP gaining power, while this is what investigations should be about - justice.

 

elvischannel

Apr 24, 2009

It is my fondest hope that the torture probes will never end. I want it continue long enough for the American public to be fully educated and enlightened about the nature of the medieval policies of the Bush administration. Eventually, Americans will respond to the better angels of their nature and repudiate the war crimes committed in their names. It happened when they realized that the Civil War was not just about union but about slavery. It happened when they realized that McCarthyism was not patriotism. It happened when they realized that Watergate was not about politics but about political crime. It will happen again as the truth about Bush war crimes gradually dawns on Americans as it comes to them slowly, drip by drip.

 

Apr 24, 2009

Obama won't stop this political charade. He is very cleverly supporting it by releasing the memos, but blacking out how successful they were. Now he's going to release pictures. Anybody who is going that far in damaging the security of the nation has decided to start taking political prisoners. Its complete and total arrogance. What Obama is doing is criminal, and one day if he goes down this road he may have to answer for it in front of another political tribunal. And you didn't think it could happen here?

 

Jane

Apr 24, 2009

they call him the messiah(God forgive us), so i guess he needs to maintain the title and gives what people want, peace. i guess he's enjoying it.

 

Jane

Apr 24, 2009

again, this is THE CHANGE you can believe.

 

Keen

Apr 25, 2009

America has tortured people. That is intolerable. Anything less than full accountability is simply not acceptable. This article is stupid beyond belief. There should be hearings at The Hague and you are worried that congressional hearings might get out of hand?!?

We've lost all moral authority in the world because of this. It was un-American and unconscionable. By your logic even the Nazi war crimes should just have been ignored since it would have been too much of a “bother” to hold them accountable. I have to wonder if you were as vocally against the years of investigation into a certain White House case of marital infidelity?

 

TexasTruBlu

Apr 25, 2009

Is it just me, or does the Obama Administration tend to use the Bush administration as an excuse for just about everything? I am a conservative and I didn't agree with everything that Bush' administration did, but I didn't label him as the devil nor did I constantly second guess decisions for which I didn't have all the security data. Right now, we are on the verge of a huge international war between Taliban ruled Pakistan and India. Both have nukes. Both have had a border war that has lasted decades. And yet while this is going on, a situation that could explode into a World War overnight, Team Obama is fiddling around with politically correct nonsense that will just waste money and time. At some point even the diehard liberals are going to have to stop and ask if this type of administration is beneficial.

 

Dawn

Apr 25, 2009

The Geneva Convention specifies UNIFORMED soldiers of States and Countries. FDR is touted as a great President, and he had enemy combatants (non-uniformed) executed. Did you see any uniforms on these barbarians? We used waterboarding 3 times. How many times did the barbarians use beheading as their preferred form of final torture AFTER the OTHER torture? So, it's okay to use waterboarding on our own military while training (my husband included), but we can't make these barbarians, who would mutilate you at a drop of a hat, uncomfortable for 30 seconds? Give me a break!!

 

Mr. Peabody

Apr 25, 2009

Hey Keen, war has nothing to do with moral authority, it has to do with winning at all costs. Do you remember how we ended the war with Japan? I think waterboarding would be pretty far down the list when it comes to losing our moral compass, don't you? Our enemy has no grounds on which to judge our actionswhen they follow no such code of conduct. If you are playing a game of any kind and your opponent ignores the rules, you lose, and this is no game, especially for the squeamish. Did you see any of the videos they posted on the internet of the beheadings? Do you consider those torture? I'm guessing the beheaded and their family did. The American military is one of the few that are welcomed by the general population of a liberated country because we take great care to protect against collateral damage even at the cost of American lives. If you ask the average Taliban or al Quada terrorist if they think waterboarding is torture they would probably ask, "compared to what?"

 

Dero

Apr 25, 2009

Is it really too much to ask that an article dealing with investigations at least ATTEMPT to answer the question of legality. It's really disingenuous to talk about what is and isn't politically charged when you won't even attempt to educate people to whether or not a crime was committed.

 

JamesInLa

Apr 25, 2009

This is a case of some government employees who know they might have done something wrong using the old "national security" ploy to claim that the people they work for don't have the right to know what they, the government employees, are up to. We do have the right to know and to decide what to do about it.

 

JB Olive

Apr 25, 2009

Despite what anyone says, the ends do not justify the means if, in fact, the means are illegal. Torture of prisoners, in this country has always been illegal whether they're uniformed or not. The issues of morality or effectiveness of torture are simply talking points for the pundits. The Republican controlled legislative branch of the '90's didn't seem to have any qualms about investigating alleged illegal activities of a SITTING President. Now, however, all one hears is hue and cry over an investigation into alleged illegal activities of members of a former administration. Why the sudden change of heart?

 

Land of the home and free of the brave

Apr 25, 2009

It's not torture when Americans do it.

Americans are exceptional.

If anyone does it to us, H bomb...

 

Dahun

Apr 25, 2009

Both sides of Congress were informed of and approved of the enhanced interogation procedures. Including Madame Pelosi and all members of congress who were briefed would stop the inquiry cold which is the reason that Bush, Cheney and other politcos are not being implicated in the kangarooo court suggested. The lawyers who offered legal opinions are being used as sacrificial lambs to placate the far-left to which president Obama holds fealty to.

 

TheEnforcer

Apr 25, 2009

Htos1

Apr 24, 2009

I believe,correct me if I'm wrong,the government,in our format,is obligated to protect it's citizens as a primary function.
=====================================
Sorry to tell ypu that all changed when the DemocRATS came to power in the House and Senate.

The law now is protect the terrorists and to hell with the citizens.

 

BG

Apr 25, 2009

Our Marines get waterboarded as part of their training yet if a terrorist gets waterboarded its "torture". Only in Liberal America!

 

Andrea

Apr 25, 2009

It seems that the do nothing congress is running out of distracting subjects. I agree, that once this starts, there is no end to it. What is next? The soldiers who fought in these conflicts, we all know 'stuff' rolls down hill. Congress should attend to the people's business and only that and not go out on a vendetta, that is giving/taking this country nowhere, but down the tube.

 

STANNIS

Apr 25, 2009

This whole business is designed to place our attention away from what Obama is doing. Diversion...crisis...through THE ANTI BUSH...our new prez. This guy knows that Americans want drama, love reality shows, hate reading, and believe what is fed to them by the loudest mouth. That is where we are today.

 

bbhare

Apr 25, 2009

Ted Olson is right. This is a very slippery slope. If the president is faced with a crisis where going to war is a possibility, will his decision be based on keeping the country safe and securing our interests or will it be based on whether his actions might get him prosecuted later on?

 

htos1@yahoo.com

Apr 25, 2009

I'm in the zero% of population who cares about torture by the military,I triple-dog dare you to tell them what to do.Keep the white-hot flame of truth on this administration's posterior area,never let up.

 

BG

Apr 25, 2009

While Obama is telling the whole world that "America doesn't believe in torture" he is encouraging the terrorists, after all the word must've spread real fast already among the Al Quaeda "when we attack the U.S. again Obama will not torture us". Obama is putting this country into great danger and the next attack is his fault. I wonder if he can live with that.

 

Charlie AZ

Apr 25, 2009

This is the Obamorality(Obama morality):
- Can't torture those who have killed Americans, who have planned attacks which killed Americans, or who plan attacks to kill Americans
- Can kill pirates who hold Americans hostage
-Can kill unborn Americans
-Can prosecute Americans whose job it is to protect Americans
-Can call Americans arrogant, dismissive, derisive
-Can bow to Muslem kings
-Can submit to those (Iran) who hate Americans and want to kill Americans and our allies
Question: What would Obama do if one of his daughters was being held hostage by a group that kills Americans?
-Not torture one of the captured hostage taker
-Kill the hostage takers who step out for a breath of fresh air
-Say his daughter deserves it for her arrogance, dismissiveness, derisiveness
-Bow and submit to their leader
-Prosecute the Americans who violated the "Rules of Engagement" when they rescued his daughter

 

johngalt

Apr 25, 2009

Nearly every comment here hinges on calling waterboarding "torture". Without that, the entire discussion is meaningless. Waterboarding is definitely NOT torture and the proof has been widely reported. The fact is that many people have VOLUNTEERED to be waterboarded and have walked away unharmed. No sane person would volunteer for true torture, period. therefore waterboarding is not torture.

 

Dave

Apr 25, 2009

If our current 'pols" wish to go trowling for those responsible for approving what they perceive as torture- Eric Holder and his then boss's Janet Reno and Bill clinton need to be included for burning alive men, women and children in Waco Texas.
Torture by anyones measure.

 

w7xq

Apr 25, 2009

Obama and his left wing cohorts - Democrats and other radicals - have everything upside down and backwards about the Bush era interrogations. The complainers should be thanking President Bush and his staffers profusely for keeping our country safe from any further attack for the years since 9/11. Inconvenience to a few known terrorists who celebrated the murders of innocent people on 9/11 is a small price to pay for the safety and security of our 300,000,000 citizens.

 

Karl Lembke

Apr 25, 2009

There is one way to keep the next president from holding the Obama administration accountable for things that have since become unpopular. Simply arrange things so that power never changes hands again.

 

Davidpearl

Apr 25, 2009

Torture is what obama is doing to the citizens of the US with his policies

 

James Farrell

Apr 25, 2009

Frankly I hope that the Left gets its showtrials. I have every confidence that both Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld would, if called to testify, send Democrat commission members ducking for cover within a few hours. That would almost be worth the perilous precedent something of this order would set.

 

Right Winged Extremist

Apr 26, 2009

Karl said "Simply arrange things so that power never changes hands again."
You are SO right! I don't think this man plans on leaving office. I think his agenda is moving the country so he can stay around a long long time. Hey, just like his "friends" that run other countries that he met with at the America Summit stay around.

 

tmh

Apr 26, 2009

The only undeniable fact here is that the U.S. did not suffer anymore attacks here, for the remaining 7 years of the Bush/Cheney administration. Herein lies the real problem for the Obama administration How to tear down their undisputable success Answer 20/20 hindsight

 

Tenn Slim

Apr 26, 2009

ALL
It is simple. The Prosecution of Bush's Admin and Pres B, are on the CPUSA agenda, the Democratic Socialist agenda and like minded leftist sites. They want scalps for the 2000 and 2004 elections.
end

 

nancy

Apr 26, 2009

I think the democrats got so much mileage out of "Bush Cheney" bashing, that they can't resist these investigations of republicans and blame them for everything. Republicans need to fight back HARD and label these american hating liberals for what they are! They are more concerned over islamic terrorists than our own safety! If you use the liberals logic that waterboarding made us unsafe and was used as a recruiting tool for the terrorists, than how did 911 happen? how did the US Cole happen?? Time to expose Pelosi and Reid for their hate and blame America positions!!

 

Francisco F.

Apr 26, 2009

Quoted: Five years after the Abu Ghraib revelations, we must acknowledge that our government methodically authorized torture and lied about it. But we also must contemplate the possibility that it did so not just out of a sincere, if criminally misguided, desire to “protect” us but also to promote an unnecessary and catastrophic war. Instead of saving us from “another 9/11,” torture was a tool in the campaign to falsify and exploit 9/11 so that fearful Americans would be bamboozled into a mission that had nothing to do with Al Qaeda. The lying about Iraq remains the original sin from which flows much of the Bush White House’s illegality.

 

Harold

Apr 26, 2009

OK; Geo. Bush did win Florida (many recounts proved that). However, while we are investigating the past administration's decisions (which kept us safe) let us have an investigation on just who did the voters put in the oval office this last election; we know nothing about his birth place, what he did at Harvard, etc., and whether he is a Muslim or not.

 

sick&tired

Apr 26, 2009

Why not worry about about all the people killed on 9/11 my only problem with torture is they should torture them to death.Lets send PELOSI & her girlfriend LEHEY to talk to bin laden

 

T

Apr 26, 2009

I, for one, refuse to allow anyone to set me or my family up to be martyrs in the name of legality. Waterboarding = Torture? I couldn't care less. The use of torture to save American lives? I'm all for it. BAMN - By Any Means Necessary. Hey, all of you hippy radicals from the sixties who now occupy positions of power...wallow in your own pools of hypocrisy.

 

SchererforCongress (KS-03)

Apr 26, 2009

Well Ted, the last time I talked to your Admin Asst. was 2007. I do however like the wisdom concerning those who ignore the past only ensure the past will repeat itself. Only looking forward is absurd.

 

MM in NC

Apr 26, 2009

Did I miss something? Because I was under the impression that O had been elected (God help us!) and campaigning was over. Maybe not. Under the O administration we will have to suffer through all of those reviews about "mistakes" committed by our President Bush. Remember him? The one who came after Clinton, yes the who had his hands and other things full in the oval Office while he was offered the head of Osama?
Now all that Bush did will be under review for our enemies to use in their training against us. They are the only ones who benefit from what the democRATS are exposing to the world.
Bush kept us safe and I don't care what he did to do so because TERRORISTS don't care if they kill innocent people. 9-11-01 actually happened; it is not a product of our imagination. Get a grip! Ignore the past and it will repeat itself. We are doomed!

 

BMF

Apr 26, 2009

I agree with this article. We should use "enhanced interrogation techniques" more. Use them in all types of investigations. If it's not torture then we should use it on American suspects in all criminal and civil cases. Clearly we will always then get the truth.

 

Joe Howell

Apr 26, 2009

This witch hunt will end with Americans dying. The blood will be on their hands. There is no good reason and no acceptable excuse for it.

Joe Howell
The Right Viewpoint
http://www.rightviewpoint.com

 

jabo

Apr 26, 2009

In less than 100 days Obama has committed several acts of treason and he should be impeached immediately. The latest is the release of the classified documents that will ultimately cause the loss of many Americans lives. I am well aware that the Liberals are in control at the moment but history tells us that this will change. When it does payback will be hell. Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd, Rangel and many others will have a day of reckoning.---------Obama has succeeded in stimulating stupidity.

 

C.G.H in Ky.

Apr 26, 2009

I am very disapointed in Mr.Obama for this treasonist and dangerous act! This careless misuse of power will endanger our troops and our nation as well! Impeachment procedeings should be implemented!

 

September12th

Apr 26, 2009

Before we become the righteous and just, where were you this day? What were you posting? Were you glued to the TV? Do you remember the slow motion, frame-by-frame vision as 4 commercial airliners loaded with unknowning and frightened souls were used as offensive cruise missles?

Do you remember the towers, which formerly dominated the NY skyline, as they slowly pancaked the trapped survivors within, floor by ever so painfully timeless floor in a plume of disintegrated dust?

 

WingNut

Apr 26, 2009

Remember, torture is torture only when Muslims and Commies do it.

 

Benny Brock

Apr 26, 2009

No torture just put a bullet between their eyes if they are on the battlefield

 

tom

Apr 26, 2009

i think g bush & d cheney's torture is the cause of the pig swine outbreak in the US and mexico.
the people are entitled to a truth commission.
obama says he's absolutely positively against it but he knows a couple of people in the congress and media who he can pass it on to(for the good of the country of course).

 

Geof

Apr 26, 2009

If they want to have an investigation on "torture" based on "morals", let's do it. But let's include abortion as a form of torture. 3 mass murdering terrorists waterboarded vs. 35-50 million murdered babies. Killed by being torn limb from limb, or having their skulls punctured and their brains sucked out. Terrorists all survived...babies didn't. Or the few that somehow did, must be left to die uncared for, alone, suffering, and in pain.

Who's got the moral standing?

 

libertyordeath

Apr 26, 2009

these pigs that blow up & behead innocent civilians around the globe, and that this administration refuses to call terrorists, are not soldiers nor do they fight for any particular country.

hence, they have NO rights under the geneva convention.

 

Army Retired

Apr 26, 2009

No one, no one has mentioned how American soldiers are "tortured". How about having your head cut off and disemboweled!! We've lost as a nation when our own citizens care more about water boarding terrorists than they do about cutting the heads off our own soldiers!

 

the closet conservative

Apr 26, 2009

For all the sufferers of Bush Hatred Derangement Syndrome that have been posting, consider this: You have a family member who's been kidnapped and about to be beheaded. You don't know where they are. You have a prisoner who does. What would you be willing to do? Now some of the koolaid drinking left will say "Not torture!!" with emphasis in case they think I didn't get it. I would rather leave that decision to a Jack Bauer than to a Barack Obama. So do a lot of people. They will be voting in 2010. http://theclosetconservative.com

 

libertyordeath

Apr 26, 2009

to army retired,


i apologize, i made the point that they do it to civilians and i am truly embarrassed for not including our American soldiers.


Thank You Very Much for all you've done, and Thank You Very Much to all of America,s greatest and most unselfish men and women for all they continue to do.

From the maerling family
tom maerling sr
tammy maerling
tom maerling jr
amiel maerling
chris maerling

 

SURPRISED

Apr 26, 2009

Since a lot of people want to prosecute for actions in office, should we therefore begin prosecution of the present administration since drone bombings in the mountains of Pakistan and Afghanastan have been ongoing with innocents being killed in collateral damage.

 

Jim Shortz

Apr 26, 2009

"They have started something they can't stop, now that it's out. And what conceivable good can it do?"

By making the facts public, just maybe 'they' can keep future administrations from making it happening again.....duh.

 

MarcusP

Apr 27, 2009

Funny how Goppies like you guys here screamed about the "rule of law" when Clinton stood accused of lying about getting a BJ but scream like stuck pigs when confronted by worse crimes from the former incompetent in chief who let 9/11 happen in the first place because PNAC wanted a "Pearl Harbor" to carry out its dreams of US hegemony.

Perhaps the new mottoe of the GOP should be, "who, me?"

 

MarcusP

Apr 27, 2009

Hey righties, if Roxana Saberi, a US citizen and journalist who is imprisoned in Iran on spy charges, is waterboarded 182 times and has her head and body slameed against a wall countless times,

is that torture?

 

ebs

Apr 27, 2009

Everything obama is doin is wrong.. He is a puppet who wil do whatever the dems want. Intellectual giants dont have tiny narrow points of view. jsut wiat till they raise gas to 8 bucks a gallon just to get suvs off the road (sniff sniff that Ram with the hemi sounds loud and proly burns alot of gas) buncha sissies

 

ebs

Apr 27, 2009

IF U HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KILL MY FAMILY I WILL TORTURE YOU!!!!

 

ebs

Apr 27, 2009

If u have info on people who want to kill my family I will torture You.

 

fmanzi

Apr 27, 2009

why not just take Bush, Chaney, Rice Rumsfeld and their spouses, tie them up. put flour sacks over their heads and open fire. Why waste time we are already a third world banana republic.

 

Albert M.

Apr 27, 2009

So let this be completely clear, if you have info on people who want to kill my family and are currently living in Afghanistan/Pakistan/Iraq, I will pay people there to kidnap your driver, cook, car salesman, local shepherds, etc., bring them here to Gitmo and torture your folks (and earn a five figure salary as a "security consultant" while doing so). Be warned, we will get you!

 

DaddyBear

Apr 27, 2009

What country is President Obama from? This man is doing all he can to set himself up as the future supreme dictator of this country. He is changing all the rules.

 

MarcusP

Apr 27, 2009

ALl of you hypocrites screaming about Obama being "authoritarian"? Why were you so willing to enjoy Bush's authoritarian rule that basicalls suspended half of our constitutional rights??

 

National_Insecurity

May 2, 2009

People who excuse torture demonstrate a severe lack of knowledge about effective interrogation.

Mr. Olson should stick to his lane.

 

National_Insecurity

May 2, 2009

"Army Retired
Apr 26, 2009
No one, no one has mentioned how American soldiers are "tortured"."

.....

I want to read US Army Field Manual 38-52 and tell us where effective interrogation includes water boarding, and other forms of torture?

I want you to read what Ali Soufan and Matthew Alexander, two US interrogators, have written about effective interrogation.

Americans don't torture because it doesn't produce reliable intelligence. If you want to torture someone to get revenge, don't deceive yourself that what you're doing is honorable.

 


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