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Why The Founding Fathers Would Want Obama's Plans to Fail

By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
March 10, 2009

James Madison was not specifically contemplating Barack Obama, or Nancy Pelosi, when he wrote Federalist No. 63. But reading the document — one of the seminal arguments in favor of adopting the U.S. Constitution — it’s clear Madison knew their type. And he knew they would come along again and again in American history, if Americans were lucky enough to have a long history.

Obama and Pelosi, along with their most ardent supporters, are the types to see a crisis, like our current economic mess, as a “great opportunity,” as the president put it last Saturday. They are the types, after a long period out of power, to attempt to use that “great opportunity” to push through far-reaching changes in national policy that had only a tangential connection, if at all, to the crisis at hand. And they are the types the Founding Fathers wanted to stop.

In the Federalist Papers, written 221 years ago, Madison addressed the need for a Senate to accompany the more populist House of Representatives. An upper body, he wrote, “may be sometimes necessary as a defense to the people against their own temporary errors and delusions.”

For the times when a political leader would attempt to capitalize on those errors and delusions, the Founders prescribed the Senate, with its members elected to terms three times the length of those in the House, originally chosen not by the people but by the state legislatures. From Federalist 63:

“There are particular moments in public affairs when the people, stimulated by some irregular passion, or some illicit advantage, or misled by the artful misrepresentations of interested men, may call for measures which they themselves will afterwards be the most ready to lament and condemn. In these critical moments, how salutary will be the interference of some temperate and respectable body of citizens, in order to check the misguided career, and to suspend the blow meditated by the people against themselves, until reason, justice, and truth can regain their authority over the public mind?”

Now is the time for the salutary interference of temperate and respectable citizens, otherwise known as the 41 Republicans in the United States Senate. It is their job to help the president in areas where there is widespread agreement that he should be helped, and hold the line on everything else.

Of course the economy is in crisis. But if Obama had his way, everything would be treated as if it were a crisis. Health care is a crisis. The environment is a crisis. Education is a crisis. In truth, those other areas are not crises, and the Senate’s job is to delay action on them until Obama’s power to stir popular passions fades. Then, whatever legislation is truly needed on health care, etc., can be undertaken in a more reasoned and measured way.

Five years ago, in the 2004 presidential race, Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg did some research on behalf of candidate John Kerry. Greenberg wanted Kerry to be more bold in advocating wholesale change, so he convened a series of focus groups to test the public’s reaction to a number of aggressive policy proposals.

Greenberg found that voters would accept boldness on an issue or two, provided they were really important. But when a candidate promised bold action across the board, the people balked. “While voters are clearly open to bold initiatives to major problems, they may be less attracted to the candidate who wants to act boldly in every area, without exception,” Greenberg concluded. “All together, that may have suggested an expanding scope for government beyond what people felt they could trust.”

In our current situation, the people elected Barack Obama and large Democratic majorities in Congress. They didn’t elect them to do nothing. When action is needed to deal with the economic crisis — it would be nice to have a financial stabilization plan, Mr. President — they will support it.

But they didn’t elect Obama to change everything, either. With Pelosi eager to go along with the president’s every wish, it’s up to temperate and respectable citizens to distinguish the crisis from the non-crisis, and act accordingly.

In other words, it’s up to the Senate to slow things down. Just like Madison planned.



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Stan

Mar 10, 2009

Excellent article. This puts into words what I have been thinking everyday I hear "crisis" on everything the President has to say. The word begins to not have any meaning any longer.

 

TMF

Mar 10, 2009

Wow. Now thats writing. What a perfect quote from the Fed Papers. We dont make writers/speakers like that anymore. Obama is just a cartoon character compared to what we once had. Byron, your not bad either!

 

EmpFab

Mar 10, 2009

The founding fathers also envisioned a Senate with members appointed by and representing the state legislatures, a key element of federalism and limited government that the 17th Amendment destroyed. Without this check on popular power, those who seek to use the national government for tyrannical ends can not be stopped. Real change would be a repeal of the 17th Amendment. http://seddigressio.blogspot.com/2008/05/repeal-17th.html

 

war

Mar 10, 2009

One reason that the Founders had the Senate appointed was to remove them from direct influence of the voters. The 17th amendment killed that idea.

 

Boxy_Brown

Mar 10, 2009

It may be up to the senate to slow things down, but Madison didn't anticipate that turncoats like Smowe, Collins and specter would be selling us out along with the Pelosis and Obamas.

 

Scott

Mar 10, 2009

Great article, but the one missing point is that the Senators are no longer appointed by State Legislatures. They are populists just like the House of Representatives just trying to get re-elected. We need a repeal of the 17th Amendment to fix this.

 

Phillip

Mar 10, 2009

I've often asked, Where's John Adams? I wish more people read about ALL of our founding fathers and what they sacrificed. This on James Madison is more evidence that we have left the mission for which these men made such sacrifice... instead of leaders for the greater good, we have career politicians who only do what protects their power and ensure re-election

 

Mar 10, 2009

Your Madison quotes are hopelessly generic. This sort of shotty argument construction might shame a superior writer; but I suppose when you plan on your writing dying with you it really doesn't matter what you say as long as you earn some income.

 

Captain America

Mar 10, 2009

Byron hits it out of the park again. This article should be directed to Senator Specter in particular, as he projects himself as a Senate constitutionalist. Specter, who abandons all principles in favor of "doing something to help the economy" throws caution to the wind and thereby does the president's bidding.

 

bullmoosegal

Mar 10, 2009

If only the Senate would apply the brakes! Unforunately, Sen. Reid is just as eager to enact sweeping change, and just as eager to suppress dissent, even among his own party members, as Rep. Pelosi and the president.

 

fiddlecraig

Mar 10, 2009

More denial from someone who supported the ideology that put us in the mess we're in. The entire argument is based on two erroneous assumptions: first, that the Democrats' diagnosis of the situation is wrong , and, second that the solutions they propose are unworkable. How anyone could think that conservatives have answers to the problems we face in light of their record in the last couple of decades is mindblowing. You guys had your chance andhave been proven wrong. Get out of the way, for crying out loud.

 

DJMelfi

Mar 10, 2009

the question is wether we want to continue the experiment our founding fathers devised or vhange it to something else. We have the reight to vhange it, but not, I fear, the wisdom. Socialism hasnt created any great societies. It probably will not. The safest way to pattern man's endeavors is to follow his own DNA. That MEANS let him do what comes naturally to advance the species. Our republic seems to do that nicely..

 

judith

Mar 10, 2009

I believe a great many people voted for obama so that he could "take away the rich's money and give it to the poor" as he stated and as they quote.....how's that working for you?

 

paul

Mar 10, 2009

Byron, that's perhaps my favorite quote from the Federalist Papers about the necessity to quell populist passions. Excellent column. I'd also echo those commenters who have noted that damage that the 17th Amendment has done to this ideal.

 

sule

Mar 10, 2009

how about going back to the concept that those who will be stuck with paying the nations bills, are the only ones allowed to vote on policy...therefore, no more of welfare moms, college students, drug dealers or ACORN activists helping themselves to the earnings of others.

 

Tim from MN

Mar 10, 2009

Great piece.

 

Dave

Mar 10, 2009

For the person that wrote this quote:"This sort of shotty argument construction might...", you may want to learn to spell "shoddy" correctly. You are embarrassing yourself.

 

Adam

Mar 10, 2009

Yes, if only the Senate had been acting as grown ups for the previous 8 years...Wars under false pretenses, signing statements galore, no oversight, etc. etc. etc. I guess they were holding down the popular impulse to investigate an imperial president? Those crazy voters!

 

CtBob

Mar 10, 2009

Byron - You got it right. The founding fathers were brilliant in the concepts they brought forth to protect this fledgling republic. Now we have a bunch of politicians who seem to care not one whit about this republic's survival, but what can they do to preserve their position and power. Throw the rascals out in 2010, if we have the freedom to do so. Perhaps the card check concept will find it's way into the voting booth... horrors.

 

Kurt Fanta

Mar 10, 2009

Good article except for one important point that I will get to shortly. Mr. York does us all a great favor by educating us about James Madison. Few (college educated) Americans are aware that President Madison was the primary author of our Constitution; fewer still have even heard of the Federalist papers. Where Mr. York makes a tragic mistake, however, is in stating the role of 41 Republican Senators. He, is correct in their duty to the Constitution, but Mr. York fails to mention the duty of the Democrat Senators to the people (of the states) who elected them; the duty of Republican Senators is not to the Republican Party; their duty is to the people who elected them, and this is also true for Democrat Senators. Already we see Sen. Bayh and Sen. Feingold standing up to this fiscal irresponsibility of President Obama . It appears the Sen. Bayh will become the John McCain of the Democratic Party; bravo Senator Bayh.

 

go_figure

Mar 10, 2009

A very timely piece that speaks the truth. Hats off to those Democratic senators who are bucking their party and president.

 

Matt

Mar 10, 2009

This is brilliant.. Byron, I need to find some way of incorporating this into my blog. http://freedomsearch.wordpress.com

 

Kansan

Mar 10, 2009

I'm still waiting for the mention of how George W. Bush used 9/11 as an opportunity to invade a country that did nothing to us. The fact is, some of the our greatest actions have come out of times of great peril. Lincoln used the Civil War as an opportunity to free the slaves, for example. The founders themselves used the Intolerable Acts as a way to rebel and forge a new nation. Give Obama a break, he's only doing what he feels is best for this country. At least he's not sitting back doing nothing.

 

from kevi9n

Mar 10, 2009

check this out

 

plebis

Mar 10, 2009

this is what we get for hiring a jumped-up "community organizer" to run the executive branch. just speeches, just posturing and some really stupid actions. the repubs take the blame, too, for acting like fools and wasting our time for the years they controlled congress. now we get some REAL loons and boneheads. "i forgot to pay my taxes". that's alright, we're making an exception because you are the only being in the universe to know what to do. thanks, Oboy!

 

Mordechai

Mar 10, 2009

There is, in fact, a crisis in education, but it's not the one most people think. For this democratic republic to work, citizens need to understand the philosophy behind its founding. Once they understand how our government was supposed to function, they're free to change it. But to discard the founding principles in ignorance is tantamount to national suicide. It would behove this nation to require all to study the founding documents, first as originally conceived, before considering dissenting opinions.

 

pmk

Mar 10, 2009

It's too bad the Republicans weren't so willing to check George W. Bush. They left that job to Democrats and then called them obstructionists. Others have pointed out how the 17th amendment made all senators populists as well. Arlen Specter might have been long gone if not for the 17th Amendment. Hillary Clinton (and maybe Barack Obama) might never have become senators without it. The state legislature might have given New Jersey at least one Republican senator in the 1990s. The "Progressive Era" marked the end of the Senate of Madison's day. Would Madison have supported the 17th Amendment?

 

adrienne

Mar 10, 2009

The other thing that the Senate was designed to do was allow the minority viewpoint to be heard, so that there was no tyranny of the majority. That's why they call themselves the "deliberative body." If there is an opportunity for every viewpoint to be heard during debate and deliberation, then the losing side will more readily accept the verdict of the majority. If they are shut out and shouted down (as Harry Reid wishes to do), then the minority will not as readily accept the result, and the governed will be more likely dissatisfied with the results. Kind of like what we have now with the low approval ratings of Congress. Slowing down to consider the options is healthy when you are contemplating tremendous societal change. The Founders were wise, and we should listen to their wisdom, and not act like teenagers with a need for speed.

 

HAS

Mar 10, 2009

I wonder if York wrote a column like this in 2002.

 

GrammarQueen

Mar 10, 2009

Mr. York: Your last phrase should read "Just as Madison planned," not "Just like Madison planned." If you are not sure of the difference in the usage of "like" and "as," look it up in one of Mr. Fowler's books or in a similar guide. This is an embarrassing error for a writer of your education and prominence.

 

Chris Branscum

Mar 10, 2009

Brilliant work Mr. York - Obama caught in the crosshairs of Madison's Federalist 63 aimed at "artful misrepresentations of interested men." If only there was reason to hope that Obama and his fellow travelers would one day "be the most ready to lament and condemn" their misrepresentations.

 

alaphiah

Mar 10, 2009

I'm hoping Mr. York didn't include the Benedict Arnold Club of Collins, Snowe and Specter in his count of 41 Republicans in the Senate. Not to mention the Mavervick group of McCain, Graham and Mel Martinez. In other words Republicans are to splintered to hold themselves together let alone holding Obama in check!

 

RADER717

Mar 10, 2009

NOBOMA IS A TOTALLY LEFT SIDED LIB, HE THRIVES ON FEAR AND THE SHEEPLES BELEIVE HIM. WITH THE FULL SUPPORT OF THE LIBERAL MEDIA BY HIS SIDE, DO YOU REALLY THINK THE SENATE WILL OPPOSE THE CHOSEN ONE, YEAH ME NEITHER!!!!!!!!!

 

JW

Mar 10, 2009

Repeal the 17th Amendment!

 

ripcityroy

Mar 10, 2009

Repeal the 17th Amendment! What a great idea! After all the last administration used an endless string of orange threat level crises to justify gutting the bulk of the first 10 amendments (except the second-can’t touch the second amendment). Truly inspired thinking here. A couple more national catastrophes and this country can return to being ruled by a rich aristocracy. Heck why stop there, lets just tell England we’re sorry about that whole revolution business and ask to be ruled by their Monarch. Endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights…now that’s just silly.

 

Josh

Mar 10, 2009

Wanting slow and measured debate over big issues is quite different from "wanting Obama to fail." I believe that the founding fathers would also have been offended by the hijacking of government by religious ideologues over the last 8 years. We don't live in the time of our founding fathers; they were gracious enough to bequeath us with a document that changes as we change. We live in our own time, not theirs. And while its good to occasionally look back to see what their intent really was, we do not live in their time. Our struggles are not theirs and we should stop comparing our economic collapse to their revolution. Apples to oranges. We need to use our wits, values, and judgment to make our own way through these crises and help define OUR time.

 

migtex1234

Mar 10, 2009

I so hope Congress decides to read & think about effects before all rush to fall off the cliff. Group think is never good.

 

CtBob

Mar 10, 2009

Ripcityroy - What church don't you go to. I think our founding fathers were pretty wise in their thinking, and this country was founded upon religious beliefs. I believe in the "Unalienable rights" concept. If you think the government can grant, then be ready for the government to take away... then let me hear your comments when your rights are infringed upon.

 

JH

Mar 10, 2009

Madison was right, but your implications are wrong. In reality, the Senate is more moderate, and acting in a reasoned fashion, with 60-plus votes. Madison never intended to prevent a reasoned majority from acting. He did intend to prevent people like Lou Dobbs, Rush Limbaugh, or Keith Olbermann from having too much influence. I think we're safe.

 

Derek

Mar 10, 2009

I agree that we should repeal the 17th amendment and make Senators appointed by the states as was intended. The Senate was supposed to be removed from popular action; popular action is represented by the House. Without political overbearing the Senate would do a much better job of tempering the "crisis" from both the House and the President. This Federalist quote while prescient, would make more sense if we didn't have an elected Senate.

 

Leslie

Mar 10, 2009

Fantastic article! Makes me want to scream at the Senate and ask "where's the saucer?" And yes Scott - we do need to repeal the 17th amendment.

 

laree

Mar 10, 2009

Obama wants to sow the wind, he will reap the whirlwind. If he doesn't have the wisdom to see there will be a backlash to social shock, he will learn that "Consequences" eventually catch up to you, know matter how hard you try to out run them.

 

Joe

Mar 10, 2009

I propose a 28th amendment, which repeals the 17th and sets term limits (two terms)for senators and SCOTUS Justices (10 years) and possibly even House Reps (six terms. The former would force the hand of the voters to some degree to pay more attention to who they elect at the State level. This was what our founders had in mind to begin with. An increased focus on one's State level politics to balance a slightly decreased focus on the national level might help us to start reducing the size of fedzilla and give us a chance to return to the greatness that the American people, not the government, made of this country.

 

Ben

Mar 10, 2009

It used to be considered a "big government" position to support government's construction of public roads. We owe the founding fathers an everlasting debt of gratitude, but outside of the constitution their opinions on policy should not carry much weight. (To be clear, I oppose all of Obama's economic plans.)

 

WHAT?

Mar 10, 2009

Health care and education are not crises?? I suggest you get out of Washington and talk to some folks in the business world, both large and small. I think you would find most would find that these are ENORMOUS problems surely on a crisis level. Believe me they feel they are a far greater problem that the taxes that you want relive them of. Reducing the cost of health care and providing them with better educated workers would be a huge boon to business. Why don't we hear from business leaders on how horribly Obama is managing the crisis. I guess they don't count except when you put words in their mouths saying all they want and need is TAX CUTS

 

fmder

Mar 10, 2009

Ben - talk to the states about how much influence the FedGov has over policy at the state level because of Fed highway dollars doled out... Same can be said about Education

 

brob

Mar 10, 2009

Most entertaining article and comments. I was not aware of the apparent fact that Madison believe that the minority should rule. Seriously, as another poster has pointed out the central and undermining problem with the arguments presented is the presumption that the current POSTUS and his administration are dramatically wrong in their analysis and solutions. 69+ million voters and 365 electors disagree with the presumption.

 

ER

Mar 10, 2009

The House needs term limits. These guys have entrenched themselves a la the Soviet Politburo. And anyone who believes congressional elections are truuly free, needs to wake up and smell the money.

 

Mar 10, 2009

Regarding Adam's "imperial president" comment; Adam, please look up Colin Powell's quote about America's imperialism.

 

jeff

Mar 10, 2009

wow, sounds like madison was talking about bush and his taking of our freedoms under the guise of security - and the senate failed to stop him.

 

Tim

Mar 10, 2009

Madison did have it right and so did the framers. The Senate was put in place to re-evaluate the "will" of the people, and the President. This ensured that "will" was in-line with their states respectively. But now, in "our" infinite wisdom, there is no such thing as "state" representation because we instituted the 17th Amendment; it all belongs to the people. Is this not why we have the House of Representatives? But hey, you know, our forefathers had no idea what they were doing when they wrote the Constitution. The 17th Amendment needs to be repealed and our government should revert back to Article I, Section 3.

 

Mar 10, 2009

nice

 

Bill

Mar 10, 2009

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." — James Madison

 

rockbouncer

Mar 10, 2009

If you agree with Byron York (and I do), please go to yahoobuzz.com and 'buzz' this story to broaden its circulation.

 

Eric

Mar 10, 2009

Conservatives like York would love nothing more than for Obama to restore the economy; then leave the Presidency without an imprint, having made the world safe for Republicans to cut taxes again. But while Americans didn't elect Obama to change "everything", they did elect him to act on health care, energy and education as these issues were staples of his campaign platform. Obama by no means violates the essence of the Constitution, nor differs from the practices of past administrations, by leveraging his political capital to act on the issues he was elected to remedy.

 

Mar 10, 2009

Amen, Brother. Couldn't agree more.

 

Republidemotarian

Mar 10, 2009

As of yet Mr. Obama hasn't addressed anything without tagging it first with the "crisis" label. Yes, our economy is in bad shape. Everything else is not. If you want to address the climate "crisis", you better get China, India and the rest of southeast Asia to comply to your will too. Maybe they can also help pay for healthcare.

 

David

Mar 10, 2009

To the point. Many "think" with their emotions, often reactively. Reflection is considered by some "politcal", as in "we won" and "you lost", and not accepted as is - concern for our country. But it is in these times that we need to let the healing power of time itself - and thoughtful reflection - guide our choices and considerations. Madison was indeed a wise man. David

 

butch

Mar 10, 2009

The Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Frank etc. cabal is the most dangerous threat to liberty the country has been confronted with in years. That danger is compounded by a media that, in general, has abdicated its watchdog responsibilities.

 

Rakehell

Mar 10, 2009

I'm sorry, but Limbaugh is no James Madison. Many of the 41 Republicans in the senate are neither temperate nor respectable either. Vitter? Respectable? Since when have frequenters of parlors of prostitution been considered respectable? DeMint, Graham, Shelby, Chambliss, Cochran, McConnell, Cornyn, Thune. These are the temperate? Jim Bunning and James Inhofe - two of the stupidest men to ever hold office? These are your party's bright lights? Dragging in the founders as support for the Republican Party’s, "We want America to fail," message will fool no one. "The problems we face today will not be solved by the same minds that created them.” -Einstein

 

Lori

Mar 10, 2009

Excellent article!

 

J A Farrar

Mar 10, 2009

Your York poll question "do you want Pres Obama to Fail" should be re-worded to be more fair and accurate. You should try something like this,,,, While I wish all American Presidents to suceed, I do not want all of Pres Obama's plans to suceed.

 

Mar 10, 2009

A wonderful article, but I fear no one is listening. But please keep it up. Someday, the people will wake up from their currrent infatuation with Obama.

 

DA

Mar 10, 2009

Good artcle but why give this fool any advise. The sooner he becomes a joke the sooner we can move this nation in the right direction.

 

E

Mar 10, 2009

Politicians need to remember why they were voted into office, and not to take advantage or misue that position for personal gain. They are there to do the people's will, not their personal agenda.

 

Todd

Mar 10, 2009

I agree with EmpFab, repeal of the 17th Amendment would restore an essential check on federal power. The House should represent the people. The Senate the member states. It would serve as a check on unfunded mandates. Gone would be any campaign contribution influence in the US Senate.

 

LaGrangeville Jim

Mar 10, 2009

Great article. What ever happened to statesmanship for the good of the country? The biggest item on the agenda for most of our elected officials seems to be either assuring their reelection or enriching themselves with side deals related to their public service. The most scary part is that it's difficult to conceive of this system changing.

 

Kmb

Mar 10, 2009

In response to Josh's March 10th comments... I do agree with your premise of recognizing that we are dealing with different “global” issues and hence might make a new path…I would ask that you consider that we are not where we are today due to the unrelenting due diligence of following the wisdom of the Federalist Papers or the Constitution (the citizens nor the Politian’s) …And I echo the statement that the majority of this countries citizens are clearly ignorant of our history along with how our government runs…Which, in my opinion, is where the real danger lies.. On with the debates!!!

 

SHLEIGH

Mar 10, 2009

Some have posted that Byron's article is based on an false assumption that the Democrats are doing something wrong... and that the Republicans have no better solutions. A true republican would not attempt to fix the problem at all through their own power, but let the system fix itself in true capitalistic form. In Anne Rand's book Atlas Shrugged the Man John Gault states "This country wasn't built by men who sought handouts. In its brilliant youth, this country showed the rest of the world what greatness was possible to Man and what happiness is possible on Earth." What a book for our times... Let the free market work, not be injected. Let those who crash, fall and pay for their sins as to not do it again.

 

uallrlosers

Mar 10, 2009

I find it amazing that the party that often claims to have the support of God himself, the party of family, traditional American values, right to life and limited Government is often angry, bitter and hateful to any and all that do not agree with their agenda. If you're such God-fearing, righteous people, why are you always so mean and spew such vitriol towards those that dare question you? If you have the comfort of religion and being right, why aren’t you happier? I used to be Republican when Reagan did it right. Now I'm Independent. Even though I don’t think there’s much hope of some of the President’s agenda succeeding, I certainly don’t WANT them to fail. I hope that he proves me wrong and they work, because that’s what would be best for America. I don’t care what’s best for Democrats vs. Republicans. This is my country and I want it to succeed. All of it.

 

beauty

Mar 10, 2009

Well Byron you did it again ,GREAT!as Rush would say right on right on. I am sure by now you know that THE GREAT ONE, RUSH talked about this article and you by name and gave the web site. WOW hold on to your hat, the e-mails will continue to mount. This is great !!! People need your truth Rush comments came at 1:15 today..Thank You again...

 

Dot

Mar 10, 2009

This is why I am a Conservative. You remind us that our Founders were brilliant beyond the bounds of their time. Oh, that I could see that kind of thinking in our current government!

 

Gramsci

Mar 10, 2009

Appealing to the Founding Father's distrust of democracy is a heartwarming tactic of the Right when they lose elections. It must be awful for York that we no longer require property qualifications to vote. If we are to bow at Madison's alter and emulate his sage example, shouldn't we bring back slavery? Madison after all owned over a hundred "Baracks" back in the good ole days.

 

Penn

Mar 10, 2009

The liberal facist onslaught of the democrat party on America seems to have been taken directly from "Mein Kampf".

 

adrienne

Mar 10, 2009

Slow and thoughtful debate adds to the legitimacy of the result. Having a result that some feel is illegitimate is extremely corrosive over time to the whole system of government and our faith in it. A perfect example of this is the fact that many on the left never bought into the legitimacy of GWB (same with the right re Bill Clinton) and spent a tremendous amount of energy and the good will of the governed, accomplishing little that benefitted our beloved country. Spending the time to get an issue resolved thoughtfully is better in the long run than chalking up a quick "win" for one side or the other.

 

Kristi Cannon

Mar 10, 2009

Excellently stated. More Americans need to be educated on the founding of our country. It's a shame the main stream media won't cover this poignant article.

 

Ken Mitchell

Mar 10, 2009

Do people really pay to read such partisan rhetoric? Madison would have equally been concerned about monopolies, concentration of wealth, Republican desires for a 21st century plutocracy, etc., given his desire to safeguard individual freedom. "If men were angels, government would not be necessary" (Madison, Federalist 10).

 

Steve

Mar 10, 2009

First the article posits that the voters' desires are irrational and need to be held in check by the Senate. Then it posits that there is great wisdom to be found in focus groups comprised of those same voters who balked at too many governmental initiatives at one time. Which is it? Are the voters an irrational rabble or a sagacious guiding light?

 

Nick Steinberg

Mar 10, 2009

Byron as well as Madison are wrong in this particular argument. Not every statement of our founding fathers are correct. In democracy nothing is above the public mind. If public mind is proven to be wrong, it will adjust itself later. On the other hand dictators and those who put themselves above public mind often do not correct their wrong course of action, as GW Bush never did.

 

JB

Mar 10, 2009

Every day, I read this same tired argument from Obama supporters, attempting to shout down any criticism of their president. It goes something like this: "A majority of Americans voted for my guy, so you need to just shut up and let him do as he pleases!" What a load of rubbish. The 2008 election did not decide anything, except who will be president for the next four years. It did not grant Obama the authority to rule as a king. Nor does it compel all Americans to agree with him – or to be silent if they don't. Anyone who believes that a single presidential election result grants the president to rule as a majority of one is only one step away from assigning their rights to a tyrant. And anyone who spouts this argument in a political discussion merely demonstrates their own ignorance when it comes to American governance and their own inability to mount a reasoned defense of their own political stance and decisions in the voting booth.

 

Jeremy Janson

Mar 10, 2009

Yeah TMF, well the thing is that Obama really is not much of a thinker, he just is really good at "presentation" (ie. he could act in a sitcom.) We do have people who are far more capable, but somehow they just haven't risen to the challenge of politics recently, maybe in part because our nation has become too specialized and the people with the right kind of higher-order thinking to conduct such affairs are now relegated to the back offices of companies and academic institutions, theorizing on ideals that will either be realized in the private sector (with no due credit given, of course) or not at all. Maybe we need to bring those folks back down from their ivory tower, although then again, I have no clue how to do that. All I know is I have at least 2 dozen friends at Georgia Tech studying engineering who I would rather have as president right now.

 

Nick Beddoes

Mar 10, 2009

York must be kidding. If the Founders might not be wholly happy with Obama, they would have screamed or thrown up at Bush's 8-year reign of error, stupidity, corruption, scrwe-ups, and unnecessary war. By the way, the 17th Amendment was approved by Congress and 3/4 of the states. Tbe people elected Obama and Congress; let them do their work of undoing Bush's mess.

 

Crafty b

Mar 10, 2009

Madison's intent was for the Senate to be a deliberative body and the best check against rash decisions. Yes. Should the Senate measure each of Barack Obama's proposals carefully before voting? Of course. But to go from there, to "The Founding Fathers want Obama's Plans to Fail", as the title of this article screams like Chicken Little, is an act of literary fraud. BYRON YORK wants Barack Obama's policies to fail, he’s just too cowardly to state it that plainly. The most embarrassing thing about this is the inconsistency of it. Where was Byron York urging Congress to slow down the President "as a defense to the people against their own temporary errors and delusions” when the Iraq war was being blatantly bullied through congress on a timeframe that was utterly nonsensical for means non-political? If he was citing James Madison then, then I might be more willing to believe he is respectful of Madison's legacy now. But he didn't and I'm not.

 

jeff

Mar 10, 2009

Barak Obama isn't qualified to be dog catcher, let alone President. So he's not qualified to offer up solutions to any of our national "crises." The founding fathers had it right!

 

Scottsdale Al

Mar 10, 2009

Did the Founders envision the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, as the de facto President and a President acting soley as the signatory of Crisis Mismanagement?

 

Independent Jones

Mar 10, 2009

This is why they don't teach this stuff fin public schools! I remember my liberal history professor fretting over nearly EVERYTHING our founding fathers said. Every time the class discussed Madison, he was quick to change the point. But bring up Lenin or Trotzky and he would wax poetic. We used to place side bets on how many dribble drops would hit his podium when speaking about communists or socialists.

 

Crafty b

Mar 10, 2009

When you try to inform yourself on a new vehicle purchase, would you be wise to get your information from Consumer Reports or to get it from a Salesman at the dealership? Byron York is a salesman. If you like having your ego pandered to and being fed a bunch've twisted information, then please, listen to this guy. But if you want to be INFORMED, buyer beware. This man is a salesman. Nothing more, nothing less. The "Consumer Reports" of journalism would warn about Presidents scaring their agenda through Congress through fear of "crisis" regardless of whether the President resides in the "R" column or the "D" column... The salesman (Byron York), cheers this behavior when "R" president does it, and claims the Founding Fathers are crying on high when a "D" president does it. This man is a used car salesman. Period.

 

A.R.

Mar 10, 2009

It is interesting that Obama sheep continually point to the fact that they won the election and that non-Obama fans should sit quiet and look on. What the sheep fail to understand is that they were sheep during the primary and remain sheep, or I should say uninformed sheep. Most Obama fans had/have no clue what or who he is. His inept attempt to respond to the NY Times question about whether he is a Socialist should silence his supporters about what his true intentions are. Americans did not vote for socialism. They voted for a good speaker; out of a need to be a part of history, etc. Because of their ignorance as to who Obama really is, one can strongly argue that there was no populace mandate for a shift to socialism. If Obama thinks that such a mandate exist then why not have a national debate to see where Americans stand. Rush Limbaugh has offered to represent the right, I drull at the prospect of Obama trying to match him without a teleprompter.

 

Doug

Mar 10, 2009

The system of checks and balances is there for a reason. It is not only the right but the duty of the Congress to counteract the President when he is leading us down the wrong road, and vice versa. This notion that we all have to support the President's agenda is simply propaganda. We don't have to support his radical agenda any more than the liberals had to support any of President Bush's actions. The fact remains, he will not be held in check for at least 2 years. Consider it a 2 year spending spree, untamed, where they will spend as much taxpayer money as possible and use it as an excuse to raise taxes, further hampering the economy. Good article, thanks.

 

MET

Mar 10, 2009

Excellent. Telling it like it is.

 

TheDude

Mar 10, 2009

Obama will be the death knell of America. I pray to God that he fails. If he fails, America wins. How appropriate that Obama's favorite president would be Lincoln. It is difficult to recall the numerous illegal and anti-constitutional crimes he committed.

 

JR

Mar 10, 2009

I wouldn't put my name on that dumb, ignorant comment either. Obviously a product of our dumbed down education system. Do you also where your baseball hat backwards?

 

John

Mar 10, 2009

Amen!

 

brob

Mar 10, 2009

A.R. love your logic: "A convincing majority of voters chose someone I don't like therefore they must be ignorant sheep." It's been my observation that often one attributes to others one's own failings.

 

JS

Mar 10, 2009

In a letter dated April, 1777, John Adams wrote to his wife Abigail the following: Posterity! You will never know, how much it cost the present Generation, to preserve your Freedom! I hope you will make a good Use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven, that I ever took half the Pains to preserve it.

 

NBP

Mar 10, 2009

this article advocates being obstructionist for the sake of being obstructionist, and I'm not buying it. Obama has been up-front about his intent to push through big policy initiatives across a range of areas throughout his campaign, and if the public wasn't behind him on the change he was advocating, they had a year and a half for their "passions" to subside. If the public hasn't calmed down yet, when will it? I'm also not one to readily accept the results of a study on voter preferences from a campaign that lost to a president with medoicre numbers during a contested election in 2004. The poll numbers in 2009 tell a different story altogether. The argument is inherently paternalistic and circular. Good writing, bad analysis.

 

Erik S

Mar 10, 2009

From Jonah Goldberg's 'Liberal Fascism': 'According to generic fascism, an atmosphere of crisis must be maintained in order to circumvent conventional rules.' The author goes on: 'That is how the liberal Gleichschaltung works; contrary voices are regulated, barred, banned when possible, mocked and marginalized when not, Progressive voices are encouraged, lionized, amplified — in the name of "diversity," or "liberation," or "unity," and, most of all, "progress."' http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2008/03/contrary-voices-are-regulated-barred.html

 

Bill Schleuning

Mar 10, 2009

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." Thomas Jefferson.

 

Bill Schleuning

Mar 10, 2009

"A revolution is coming — a revolution which will be peaceful if we are wise enough; compassionate if we care enough; successful if we are fortunate enough — But a revolution which is coming whether we will it or not. We can affect its character; we cannot alter its inevitability." Robert F. Kennedy US Senate speech 1963.

 

Bill Schleuning

Mar 10, 2009

"A revolution is coming — a revolution which will be peaceful if we are wise enough; compassionate if we care enough; successful if we are fortunate enough — But a revolution which is coming whether we will it or not. We can affect its character; we cannot alter its inevitability." Robert F. Kennedy US Senate speech 1963.

 

Bill Schleuning

Mar 10, 2009

The Coming Crisis Thomas Payne December 23, 1776 THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.

 

Rick NYC

Mar 10, 2009

If Obama were trying to change "everything" as this author argues, he would be including immigration, gun control, social security, religion in schools, foreign policy... Fact is the label "crisis" wasn't attached to Education, Health Care, Economy, and Environment after Jan 20. Sure "crisis" is a big word, but it'll get the job done quicker and Obama knows that. All politicians do. These issues have been at the top of the citizen's list for a long time. Clearly the economy is forcing us to start from scratch. Why not restructure the countries biggest needs along with it?

 

oldagg

Mar 10, 2009

"with its members elected " No! They were not "elected", they were appointed by the state legislatures and represented the sovereign state governments. Our representative republic was mostly destroyed in 1913 when the Senate was changed to elected by the people - now they are JUST AS SUBJECT to the whims of mob-ocracy as the House and the state-houses have NO representation in the government they helped form! But,we can't get rid of them as quick!! oldagg "

 

Scvsc@aol.com

Mar 10, 2009

The next time you look to Washington to solve your problems... look here.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZEg9oCXw3U What you have in Washington now, is what 69,000 Confederat's soldiers died for.. trying to prevent in 1860.

 

Charles Martel

Mar 10, 2009

I agree completely with the above!The Founding Fathers bequeathed this unique country a Constitution which is both reliably solid, but also adaptable to the times.Obama has made a very poor start across the board;his domestic policies are bad for the US and his foreign policies are the same.Appeasing Russia,Iran,Syria, and "Palestine" while at the same time slighting true allies such as Great Britain and Israel is unacceptable,embarrassing, and most of all just plain dangerous.The rejection of Mr.Churchill`s bust was a true infantile debaucle.Obama`s treatment of Prime Minister Gordon Brown was reprehensible.Who let this seedy Obama character into the White House anyway? It certainly was not me! I do hope in the spirit of the above article that the US citizenry wake up and realize that the Rose Garden ain`t smelling so rosy these days . . . . -Charles Martel

 

Soapboxer

Mar 10, 2009

Charles Goodson, or Scvsc@aol.com, seems to indicate that the Confederacy was a noble attempt to prevent the government we have today. I suppose if one really would prefer the indefinite servitude of West Africans in the Southern states to racial equality in a United States that has protected the world from the tyranny of German National Socialism and Russian Communism, then this type of comment has a place here on the Examiner Web site. And as to Byron's article, I would only remind everyone that James Madison owned people who looked like the 44th President. That doesn't mean that because Madison was a slave owner his ideas on governance were wrong-headed, but simply points out that cherry-picking the parts of Madison that one can use to advance one's own modern agenda is the refuge of those whose argumentation cannot stand on its own. The worldview of an American who owned another man (let alone hundreds) is not one to which I'd readily allow my future to be tethered.

 

Gringo Jon

Mar 10, 2009

Good thing Jefferson, one of my heroes, didn't write the Constitution. He believed in a little more passion: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants..."That "all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States or to the people." Others are considering this quote:"The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government". It seems we can take these quotes wherever we want. Don't push the people too far at once. Moderation in all things or all sides won't be moderate. Good thing the next revolution is in a year and a half. Let's hope it is moderate.

 

realsolutions

Mar 10, 2009

Great article. I think we also have to remember the federal bureaucracy and hope those who serve from administration to administration recognize the wrongness of B.O.'s agenda and work to stop it through strategic "leaks" and passive aggressiveness. The bureaucrats can become a huge bottleneck if they want, and bless them if they do during the B.O. administration.

 

Bill Schleuning

Mar 10, 2009

I have always found it amusing and with some skepticism when any one post's anything with a southern bent, or mentions the Confedearcy as possible had the right tack with regards to state's rights over Federalism...there is always some one who wants to bring up involuntary servitude, or "slavery." I believe the above article was about why the Founding Fathers would want Obama to fail, and without any "cherry- picking," he will fail. America is a vast waste land for arrogant tyrants and despots.. Sic Semper Tyranus...and "stained," blue dress's litter our national landscape. "America will be great as long as she is good....when she is not longer good. .. she will no longer be great." Alexis De Tocqueville.

 

moe

Mar 10, 2009

U.S. is expected to spend $2.5 trillion this year on health care, yet 45 million people are uninsured. More than 22,000 uninsured people will die because they can’t afford care. Half of those who become bankrupt do so because of medical bills. Meanwhile top insurance CEOs earn multi-million-dollar salaries. (pww.org) THIS SOUNDS LIKE A CRISIS TO ME.

 

Karen

Mar 10, 2009

Outstanding!

 

RRAMJET

Mar 10, 2009

Nice piece, Mr. York. I just got back from reading Federalist 63, and I was struck by how impenetrable most of its language is; most of it except the long passage you quoted. Leaders who could easily amass public support could try to yank the country beyond the comfort zones of prudent minds. Combine that with the distrust the founders had of tyranny, and you had a formula for constructing protections ensuring that no leader took the country too far one direction or the other -- could dazzle the public and become a tyrant. How prophetic of Madison. Kinda spooky too, huh.

 

Jean Holley

Mar 10, 2009

When does the Supreme Court come in to stop this madness and counter balance this runaway group of cavalier opportunists?

 

Laurine - Santa Fe

Mar 11, 2009

As a direct decendant of one of the signers of the declaration of independence (Oliver Wolcott). I was raised with the "Land of the Free". My grandmother of 80 years carried the flag in the veterans parade proudly with rheumatoid arthritis. I have always believed in this country and will continue to do so but for the moment we are in the "Land of the Greedy". We need to stop looking out for ourselves and look out for each other.. Help us America!!!

 

David

Mar 11, 2009

Well said and I could not have said it better myself. With Rapid and Broad "CHANGE" comes resistance, Either politically, socially, or militarily. The sweaping "CHANGE" proposed by the Democrats should scar all of us. Proposing new Health Care spending in the face of all this "bail out" spending is fiscally and politically irresponsible. It show real immaturing on the part of the President. Wanting something even when it is a good thing is much different from really being able to do it. As best I can remeber an old saying goes something like this: have the courage to change what you can and the wisdom to know that which cannot be changed. Thus it is time for the "loyal" opposition to stand up!

 

Samaritan

Mar 11, 2009

Relying on the Senate to "slow things down" is like relying on a broken crutch. They are part of the problem and not the solution. Try reading the 2nd, 9th and 10th Amendments to the Constitution.

 

Jondolar

Mar 11, 2009

One has but only to read the comments section which follow articles like this to understand why I lament ever having chosen the teaching profession; most have not the first clue, nor care, about our nation's history or the founding father's intent in constructing this unique government's checks & balances. Nor do most understand it even after a great article like this is written to show them, for they have chosen not to develop their skills at critical thinking, but have chosen to empower themselves through entitlement; something for nothing mentality.

 

Frank/Fran

Mar 11, 2009

Thank God for our Founding Fathers, and for the abiding wisdom in the Federalist Papers. If only they would be taught in our schools!

 

Greg

Mar 11, 2009

Oh boy. Another article from the Republican Right Wing Examiner. And now The Founding Fathers Would Want Obama's Plans to Fail. Great job.

 

RoxannaDanna

Mar 11, 2009

Wonderful column. I linked it in my blog today. It's sad that Americans have no idea how brilliant our founding fathers were. So little is taught in our schools regarding the bravery and level of social concern that they had. Thank you for bringing to light, even this small but great quote.

 

Dave

Mar 11, 2009

American health care is not in crisis? The rate of inflation for health care has been double the CPI for the past several years. Americans currently spend more on health care than we do on food, with health care costs accounting for roughly 17% of total GDP. Per capita, we're paying about double what other industrialized nations are and, by most measures, we're getting the same or less in quantity and quality of care. 30% of Americans under 65 presently don't have health care insurance. And, with unemployment rising and businesses small and large cutting/eliminating health care benefits in order to survive , it stands to reason that percentage will likely increase. What exactly would have to happen to constitute a crisis in health care?

 

BigJohn

Mar 11, 2009

After limping through the Carter years and now seeing the Barack bombshell explode on our children’s future with his socialist agenda, I would like to see the congress suspend its automatic pay raise and install an automatic Constitutional literacy class every 2 years. It's obvious that all three branches of government need this remedial reading course to get our beloved country back on course.

 

frannie d.

Mar 11, 2009

To have a couple of congressional members who are deep thinkers and knowledgeable of our Constitution's framers' intentions would be a wonderful thing. But unfortunate for us, this is just wishful thinking. Great article, it should have much more exposure!

 

frannie d.

Mar 11, 2009

To have a couple of congressional members who are deep thinkers and knowledgeable of our Constitution's framers' intentions would be a wonderful thing. But unfortunate for us, this is just wishful thinking. Great article, it should have much more exposure!

 

JMU

Mar 11, 2009

I've always admired Madison, a very forgotten and less popular president. In schools kids have no idea of who is is. The university named after the great president, is so far left of his name it falls off the continental shelf

 

Billy Coleman

Mar 11, 2009

I feel that without the Senate to slow things down Our world as we know it will fail to be. I hope the voters will get wise and vote Pelosi and Reid out next term.

 

Simsima

Mar 11, 2009

F*** yea.

 

jlr9914

Mar 11, 2009

To all of these whiners who claim that our health care system is in crisis and in sore need of my money, "please go to a socialist/communist country and never come back!" May you enjoy the free health care and no longer be free at the same time. This is what you want, something for nothing right? I am not asking you to pay for my health, so who in the hell do you think you are asking me to pay for yours. One of America's strengths is its generosity. But you people feel as though you are entitled to the taxpayer's money, and you have no shame about it. When the government gives you free health care that the taxpayer paid for that is no longer generosity that is welfare. Freedom comes at a cost. You are also free to be poor and without health insurance. If you would spend half the energy you spend trying to change America on changing yourself you would have a good job and money for health insurance left over. Quit asking the Government for handouts and go to work!

 

jlr9914

Mar 11, 2009

To all of these whiners who claim that our health care system is in crisis and in sore need of my money, "please go to a socialist/communist country and never come back!" May you enjoy the free health care and no longer be free at the same time. This is what you want, something for nothing right? I am not asking you to pay for my health, so who in the hell do you think you are asking me to pay for yours. One of America's strengths is its generosity. But you people feel as though you are entitled to the taxpayer's money, and you have no shame about it. When the government gives you free health care that the taxpayer paid for that is no longer generosity that is welfare. Freedom comes at a cost. You are also free to be poor and without health insurance. If you would spend half the energy you spend trying to change America on changing yourself you would have a good job and money for health insurance left over. Quit asking the Government for handouts and go to work!

 

Zorg

Mar 11, 2009

Madison was able to forsee Bush/Cheney more than 130 years prior to their overthrow of the US Constitution. Bush/Cheney had a "war" on everything. Sept. 11, 2001 had nothing to do with Iraq, so W sold it to a citizenry brought together by a national tragedy. Madison would have had Bush brought up on treason charges.

 

Concerned New American Citizen

Mar 11, 2009

Great article. As a fairly new American citizen, it was saddening to hear President B.H. Obama say "great opportunity" to capitalize on this economic set-back and make it worse by putting fear into the people that were tricked into believing his rhetoric, now he's using them... In God we Trust, and that's what I hope and have faith in for the people of our great nation.

 

Concerned New American Citizen

Mar 11, 2009

Great article. As a fairly new American citizen, it was saddening to hear President B.H. Obama say "great opportunity" to capitalize on this economic set-back and make it worse by putting fear into the people that were tricked into believing his rhetoric, now he's using them... In God we Trust, and that's what I hope and have faith in for the people of our great nation.

 

Dave

Mar 11, 2009

Elections have consequences. I just hope this one can be overcome...

 

Maezeppa

Mar 11, 2009

Federalist Papers give some insight to some thinking of some founders. I can name quite a few who would heartily welcome President Obama and speed America along, away from the precipice Reaganomics has left it teetering on.

 

moe

Mar 11, 2009

jr.....if your uninsured brother gets hit by car and is bleeding to death, should we not send an ambulance and take him to a hospital so a doctor can save his life? How's that for socialism? You can't have it both ways. We're sick of people using the same cliches over and over. Socialism, nationalization, less gov't....enough with the outdated ideology!!! The country you want no longer exists. We have moved to the left...like it or not.

 

mth west

Mar 11, 2009

give the president a real chance. for those that think USA canot improve and change in major ways and means join the Autocratic oppression.Obama regime inherited a mess and fools should realize the blame game will not work.

 

moe

Mar 11, 2009

Big John.....when you say "get our country back on course" what course are you referring to? Course of destruction under W? Obama has no other option. Instead of investing in education, infrastructure, health care reform and energy independence, Bush squandered all of our money in Iraq and gave a tax-windfall to the richest American Individuals and corporations. The failed policies of the Bush administration will haunt us for decades.

 

wren w

Mar 12, 2009

Pelosi is not eager to go along with the President's every wish ... it's the other way around.

 

A

Mar 12, 2009

Excellent: I "missed" this in high school 40 years ago. Thanks for the long overdue history lesson. And thanks to the founding Fathers ... and their students like yourself in the "Free Press" who are keeping this great heritage in the public forum.

 

Lisa Miller

Mar 12, 2009

Our Senate is inflicting the greatest injury upon the American people by failing to fulfill Madison's view of their responsability.

 

Kirkacola

Mar 12, 2009

Well done! J. Madi bring some real credability to the equation. It also gives hope that there's nothing knew under the sun. The issues may have CHANGEd over 200 years, but the grab for power is not knew.

 

naivecynic

Mar 12, 2009

Where was this "wisdom" during the last presidency? I'm sure that was a much greater concern to madison.

 

Josh Dooley

Mar 12, 2009

Wow. And to think, I believed that what Madison had in mind was the use of crisis to get the American people bogged down in unnecessary wars, to convince them to give up their "God given" rights hand-over-fist, and to codify religion in law (where they clearly believed that it has no place). I never considered that the founding fathers had any real enduring position on the use of governement in business, because, well, they were so torn over the idea that they litterally killed each other over it. In the end, Hamilton's plan won, however... I think you are really reaching in this article, Friend.

 

phillip anderson

Mar 12, 2009

Well put. I'm curious if you used the same argument after 9-11 to lobby against huge deficits,illegal wars, and decreased civil liberties, or if you were saving your criticism for the other side. The argument culture is great for your editor, but not so much for the citizens. Whichever side wins, we lose.

 

Mar 12, 2009

Ummmmm....did George Bush not do the same thing - Unilaterial Executive Theory - ???????

 

coldwaterbucket

Mar 12, 2009

Tying today's conservative thought to the framers of the Constitution is about the only avenue of escape left for a Republican party which looked the other way on issues of financial irresponsibility and abuse of power for so long. We continually see these folks drape themselves in the flag and the nobility of our framer's original purpose, heralding themselves as the truest 'born again Constitutionalists'. As for original intent, I suspect the Constitution might have had other gems of wisdom to guide us by had the GWBush administration preceded the christening of our beloved Nation of Laws instead of King George across the pond.

 

Rob

Mar 12, 2009

The founding fathers also gave us a democratic process in which it is possible for one party to gain a majority in the Congress. The founding fathers wanted us to be able to elect leaders democratically, and be able to vote out a failing administration. You're either with us or you're against us, isn't that what we've been hearing since 911? It's really kind of sad seeing how sore the losing party is getting. But also kind of funny seeing them go on the defensive every day.

 

Robert B.

Mar 12, 2009

Good article, BUT the environment, education, and the economy are in a crisis. Nobody wants to admit this, but our education system is a joke compared to other countries, the environment is being destroyed and our economy is going down the drain. President Obama is trying his best to get us out of the red. Before you jump on the President why don't people go back and look at what President Bush did these past 8 years.

 

NewJerseyGoomba

Mar 12, 2009

“There are particular moments in public affairs when the people, stimulated by some irregular passion, or some illicit advantage, or misled by the artful misrepresentations of interested men, may call for measures which they themselves will afterwards be the most ready to lament and condemn..." Sounds like the Bush Cheney Cabal to me. Have you all lost your minds? Of course you have. THe sour grapes you've been squeezing to make your cool-aid have infected your rationality centers with a virus; Cognitive Dissonance.

 

Don Smith

Mar 12, 2009

Nick Beddoes on 10 March 2009 stated that the 17th Amendment was approved by Congress and 3/4 of the states. WRONG!!! Just like the 16th Amendment, the 17th was not legally or Constitutionally approved. The government simply stated that it had been approved, when it really hadn't been. Read about the illegal 16th and 17th amendments. By the way, the 14th Amendment is also illegal for similar reasons. Devvy Kidd has written articles about the 17th Amendment and the 16th Amendment. Read them, Mr. Beddoes, before you talk about how legal the 17th Amendment is. You are a Bolshevik!!! Just like the imposter in the White House!! ABORT OBAMA NOT BABIES!!

 

JSG

Mar 12, 2009

Yawn. Another disgraced and bitter Republican writing another whiny, puling, pseudo-intellectual screed. When the founding fathers wrote up impeachment, they were thinking about just the sort of administration which just left office- a conservative, anti-American administration. Sadly, they never envisioned a movement like the Conservative Movement, so hellbent on destroying our nation and everything it stands for.

 

Squanto

Mar 12, 2009

Where was this article when Bush was trying to scare everyone with the threat of terrorists? Most of you people went along with it 100% and for that we have the Real ID Act, Patriot Act and a host of other threats to American liberties. You should have learned this lesson 8 years ago when the madman was in the process of destroying the country and making it possible for someone like Obama to be elected.

 

Jacob Henderson

Mar 12, 2009

And who gave Obama far more power to do these things than he would have had otherwise? Bush, Cheney, and their plan to expand executive power. I feel like we're being manipulated by some of more far right-wing corporate interests (those afraid of an Obama anti-trust bust) into believing everything is Obama's fault. We can't forget that Bush's failures have set the groundwork for Obama's failures. That's not to say Obama is innocent- he's not. But I feel like a lot of people are falling for this propaganda tactic of blaming Obama for everything so we can marginalize right-wing failures. We forget the 1.35 Trillion dollar tax cut that Mr. Bush signed in his first few months in office. It's manipulation tactic. You're falling for right-wing propaganda as much as the Obama-is-the-Messiah worshippers are falling for left-wing propaganda! Don't be fooled!

 

alaisa

Mar 13, 2009

I just love how Democrats talk about the situation "they inherited." They inherited this crisis because they CREATED it. The Republicans in their efforts to reach "across the aisle" didn't help any, but to blame them across the board when Barney Frank's lover was in a position of power in one of the financial institutions in question is a bit ridiculous. The Founding Fathers worked long and tirelessly to come up with a plan for a country that wouldn't fall to the despotism they had seen in the countries they had left. They didn't want to live in a country where people were taxed left and right to pay for things that never affected them personally. Democrats: Get off your social justice high horses and stop assigning blame. Stop using ex-Clinton appointees and criminals to fill critical roles and fix the economic crisis.

 

Achmed G in Manama Bahrain

Mar 13, 2009

Seen on Madison's Horse and Buggy: "NOBAMA"

 

jan

Mar 13, 2009

Ronald Reagan would weep should his GOP prefer chaos and collapse to salvation. Live to fight "a" good fight another day. Country before party, please!

 

Ballerina

Mar 13, 2009

Most "Americans" today have NO idea what our Founding Fathers wanted, meant, or even who they are!! This is a result of letting inferiors into our country, legally or not! The American people are fiddling while our country burns.

 

Duane

Mar 13, 2009

Well, I sure like what Mr. Madison had to say. He is right because we have a man that he described to the 9th degree. Obama is smart almost to the point of being extremely stupid. God help us all.

 

There is Hope After All

Mar 15, 2009

Great article. It's abundantly clear to anyone who takes the time to think about what is going on that this period is nothing more than an ambitious power grab. I truly hope Americans wake up, and they are, to what the liberal Democrats are up to. And stop it.

 

Bill

Mar 15, 2009

If the Republicans ever get control again, it may be the time to repeal the 17th Amendment.

 

dchrist

Mar 15, 2009

Socialism has never been a blessing for any nation. It should be apparent to any student of history that America wins when Obama fails.

 

Joe

Mar 16, 2009

We can't expect the Senate to hold the line on excessive spending and expanded federal government when they are of the same mindset as members of the House and the White House.

 

Akage

Mar 19, 2009

There are many web pages on the net with lists of argumentative logical fallacies. I think you should probably check it out-- Your argument is a huge mass of Straw Men. Better luck next time?

 

Courtney

May 6, 2009

I'm writing a research paper about why the 2008 election was the result of popular demagoguery and this is a perfect article to support what I am trying to say!

 

WHAT SENATE?

Jun 24, 2009

The Senate USED to answer to the States and THAT ALONE was their incentive to do right by the people of their State. Today, thanks to the 17th amendment, the Senate no longer answers to the States and have NO INCLINATION to do what is right by the States if another group of people ANYWHERE IN THE NATION pays them enough to do otherwise (and I'm not talking just about money)!

So... yes, 200 years ago the Senate would watch our backs. Today they stab us in the back and have no one to answer to.

 

bkearl

Jul 2, 2009

This was a good article. I enjoyed reading the comments made. Anyone who understands the constitution knows that the president of the US is not the one who makes laws and spends money. That is done by the legislature. The reason the Senate was made a six year term instead of two was so that the Senator would not have to be as responsive to the electorate as the House. People tend to forget over a six year period of time. If the people elect the Senate or the State legislators appoint the senator it still requires them to answer to the people because we elect the State Legislators so it really doesn't matter.

 

Not Involved

Jul 25, 2009

The quote does not refer to people like Obama, but to the Republican manipulators of subjects like truth and liberty. They wanted to take our rights away so we can be free? Seems pretty much like "artful misrepresentations" to me. “There are particular moments in public affairs when the people, stimulated by some irregular passion, or some illicit advantage, or misled by the artful misrepresentations of interested men, may call for measures which they themselves will afterwards be the most ready to lament and condemn. In these critical moments, how salutary will be the interference of some temperate and respectable body of citizens, in order to check the misguided career, and to suspend the blow meditated by the people against themselves, until reason, justice, and truth can regain their authority over the public mind?”

 

River d.

Oct 28, 2009

Y'all go easy on Jim. He's having a hard time dealing with reality. Happens a lot these days to people on the Left. It's always a good sign when they retreat to the "race" canard. It means they've lost the argument and don't know what else to say.
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