On Tuesday’s episode of ABC’s “The View,” co-hosts Joy Behar and Meghan McCain had a fiery exchange over socialism. But McCain has the facts on her side.

Situated in the context of self-described democratic socialist Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez‘s recent primary victory in New York City, Meghan McCain pointed out that socialism has led the world’s most oil-rich nation, Venezuela, to become a mad starvation kingdom (it’s also a land of 1 million percent inflation).