James Biden addressed in an interview with Congress a pair of high-dollar loans he received from President Joe Biden, his brother, saying they were not memorialized on paper but that they were still aboveboard, innocent financial exchanges between family members.

Joe Biden lent his brother the money in 2017 and 2018, and James Biden testified during a recent interview with the House Oversight and Judiciary Committees that the two loans were for “outstanding bills,” according to a transcript the committees published Friday.