Kirk Franklin, the immensely successful musician with over 20 Grammys for his work in Christian hip-hop and gospel music, recently had some thoughts on marriage that he shared with former Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton on Newton’s Funky Friday podcast.

“I believe that marriage has been weaponized in Western Christianity,” Franklin said. “It’s very much that ‘You living in sin. You need to get married,’ without realizing that marriage doesn’t fix sin.”