Rudy Giuliani said Thursday he believes Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen said he was not reimbursed by Trump for the $130,000 he paid to former porn star Stormy Daniels because he was “trying to help the family.”

Giuliani, the former New York mayor who is now on Trump’s legal team, stressed that Cohen was most definitely reimbursed the money he paid to Daniels, and that he is being treated like a “villain” when he was being a “good lawyer” and “good man” to Trump.