Former director of the Congressional Budget Office, now president of The American Action Forum, Douglas Holtz-Eakin is not one known for flamethrowing rhetoric. But in this interview with the Washington Examiner’s Doug McKelway, he bluntly calls out Democrats for their mantra that the massive reconciliation bill will “cost zero.” Holtz-Eakin also says the strict party-line support for or against the massive expansion of entitlements is a recipe for deeper division.

