Former Vice President Mike Pence is publicly maintaining a rosy view of his White House tenure working with ex-President Donald Trump, despite clear signs the pair had a falling out about efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

Pence had nothing but glowing praise for the former president’s leadership during the COVID-19 pandemic during a podcast conversation with Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee. The discussion touched on the highs of the former administration, from foreign policy victories to the pandemic response.

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