Joe Rogan called out the power dynamic that corporations and politicians have established by seizing the power of the people, saying, “All we’re offered is crap and crap and crap.”
The Joe Rogan Experience host brought two scientists, Steven E. Koonin and Andrew Dessler, on his show to discuss opposing views regarding climate change and how genuine conversations regarding the scientific data have been squashed by political corruption.
“It’s like a magic trick that we keep falling for,” Rogan said. “It’s like Lucy pulling the ball away from Charlie Brown every time he goes to kick it. Every time, it’s the same thing.”
While talking with Koonin, former BP chief scientist and undersecretary for science at the Department of Energy during the Obama administration, Rogan suggested that controversial topics seem to quickly dissipate.
“That’s always the case with something that is controversial, right?” Rogan asked Koonin in a Feb. 11 podcast. “There’s always the alarmist perspective, and the people that are looking at it that have maybe a less extreme point of view are criticized because they’re not taking it seriously enough.”
Koonin told Rogan that the American public does not hear the science but instead an overhyped political narrative.
“When you get into the meat of the reports, they have some problems, but by and large, they’re pretty good summaries of the science,” Koonin said. “When you get to the summaries for policymakers, or you get to the media coverage or the political discussion, that’s where things get really corrupted. So it’s like a long game of telephone.”
Dessler, a climate scientist and professor of atmospheric sciences at Texas A&M University, told Rogan that scientists have been used in public relations roles to advance specific messages.
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“The problem is dysfunction in our government,” Dessler told Rogan in a Feb. 16 podcast. “It is not a science problem. It’s not a technology problem. It’s a governmental problem, and I think the U.S. over time, our political system, is not responding to the needs of the people. It’s responding to the needs of people who are very rich.”
Rogan further blasted politicians’ integrity.
“The idea of the free market in terms of politics has never really manifested,” Rogan said. “It’s still large corporations that are influencing politicians to do things that aren’t in the best interest of their constituents. And that’s how they get elected, and when they get elected, they bulls*** us, and they get into office, and they do the same thing over and over and over again.”
While Koonin suggested that climate change models are often viewed in too narrow a time period, causing the data to be overhyped, Dessler asserted the need for carbon-neutral energy to lessen air pollution and its impact on people’s health in addition to climate change.
Staying true to his word, Joe Rogan brought Andrew Dessler the “other side” on to represent the mainstream narrative on climate science.
When asked if he would ever debate Dessler states “I won’t debate the science, the science is set”.
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Rogan noted the confusion that is created because of the complexity of climate change research.
“I wish there was no gray area,” Rogan said. “I wish there was no legitimate intelligent people that thought differently. That’s where it gets confusing.”
