Ohio Gov. John Kasich reluctantly told a group of San Franciscans Friday night that gay people are “probably” born that way.

“Do I think that people are, you know, born gay?” Kasich responded to a question at a town hall after being asked repeatedly by a member of the audience. “Probably. I’ve never studied the issue. But I don’t see any reason to hurt you or to discriminate you or make you feel bad or make you feel like a second-class citizen. I don’t think that’s right.”