In an interview with Fusion’s Jorge Ramos, Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards was asked, “When does life start? When does a human being become a human being?”

After meandering for a bit, Richards replied, “Every woman has to make her own decision.” Pressed again to say when she thinks life begins, Richards said, “I’m a mother of three children. For me, life began when I delivered them. They’ve probably been the most important thing in my life ever since. But that’s my own personal decision, right?”