A spokesperson for 2020 front-runner Joe Biden’s presidential campaign avoided answering if the former vice president reached out to former President Barack Obama to defend him during an interview on MSNBC Monday morning.

Symone Sanders discussed Biden’s apology over the weekend for previously highlighting his relationship with two segregationist senators in an effort to discuss civility in politics on the network. She used Obama’s name twice in her defense of Biden leading MSNBC’s Hallie Jackson to ask about the current relationship between Obama and Biden.