With the 2024 presidential race deadlocked or slightly favoring former President Donald Trump less than five months away from Election Day, Republican pollster Jim McLaughlin offered President Joe Biden some advice: keep running.

McLaughlin, who has done polling for Trump, made his “stay in the race” quip in response to a question from NBC News’s Katherine Doyle at a panel discussion in Washington, D.C., on Thursday afternoon. At the same event, pollsters James Johnson and Landon Wall presented findings that Trump’s New York hush money conviction was practically a wash with voters, with the presumptive Republican nominee gaining as well as losing support.