ABC News anchor George Stephanopoulos described former President Joe Biden as “heartbreaking up close” after conducting a one-on-one interview with him in July, the latest revelation on how clear Biden’s apparent mental decline was to those close to him.

Stephanopoulos’s July interview with the then-president was held just over a week after Biden’s debate with then-presidential candidate Donald Trump, with many critical of Biden’s performance onstage. Following Biden’s debate performance, the White House sought to “stanch the bleeding” of some Democrats calling for Biden to step aside from the 2024 race. This prompted the White House team to accept the interview with Stephanopoulos, according to the new book Uncharted: How Trump Beat Biden, Harris, and the Odds in the Wildest Campaign in History.