A spokesman for Hillary Clinton told CNN he did not know what it means for a computer server to be “wiped.”
Brian Fallon, Clinton’s press secretary, spoke with CNN’s Brianna Keilar about the news that a former IT staffer who worked on Clinton’s private email server is pleading the Fifth Amendment in front of a congresional committee investigating the Benghazi terrorist attack.
Keilar pressed Fallon about why the former secretary of state deleted personal emails from her server, and the two had an exchange about the propriety of deleting those emails.
“Why didn’t she keep them on the server?” Keilar asked.
“I don’t know what the relevance, the pertinence of that would have been,” Fallon replied. “She did keep a copy, an electronic copy in the possession of her lawyer.” Fallon added that the State Department initially provided the so-called relevant emails in paper copy and then later Clinton lawyer David Kendall delivered them to the Justice Department in digital form.
“Just to be clear, Brian, this is an electronic copy that I imagine is a PDF form that David Kendall retained or is this the actual e-mail with the metadata on it?” Keilar pressed. Fallon said the Justice Department also has possession of the Clinton server. “I don’t know what the FBI is going to do with it but they very well may seek to perform any kind of operation on it,” Fallon said. Keilar interrupted to clarify. “The wiped server?” she said. “The wiped server, right, Brian?”
“I don’t know what ‘wiped’ means,” Fallon responded. “The e-mails were deleted.”
What Keilar was pushing for was an answer to the question of whether or not the authorities had possession of the actual digital email files with attached metadata—the kind of data that might be able to determine when, how, and who might have deleted any emails. Finally, Fallon admitted the emails held by the Justice Department did not have the metadata.
Watch the whole exchange below:
Last month, when Clinton herself refused to answer questions about whether the server was wiped (meaning all the data on it was deleted), Fallon took to Twitter to confirm that the server was “empty.” See his tweet below:
Kendall indicated server was empty months ago MT @PhilipRucker Hillary Clinton won’t say if her server was wiped clean, @PostRoz reports
— Brian Fallon (@brianefallon) August 18, 2015
Update: Jason Beale, a pseudonymous former CIA interrogator who has spoken out in defense of enhanced interrogation techniques, offered an extensive analysis of how Fallon answered CNN’s questions:
.@stephenhayes (1) For anyone interested in kinesics – some observations of @brianefallon CNN interview. #baselinehttp://t.co/cfuNjuirIA
— Jason Beale (@jabeale) September 3, 2015
.@stephenfhayes (2) Interrogators est. baseline by asking a # of Qs they know the subject is comfortable with, then observe response pattern
— Jason Beale (@jabeale) September 3, 2015
.@stephenfhayes (3) They then ask Qs in sensitive areas and look for changes in demeanor/pattern compared to comfortable baseline.
— Jason Beale (@jabeale) September 3, 2015
.@stephenfhayes (4) For first 4 mins. Fallon comfortably relaying planned talking pts. Confident, measured, steady.http://t.co/cfuNjuirIA
— Jason Beale (@jabeale) September 3, 2015
.@stephenfhayes (5) When challenged in sensitive area, F displays involuntary quirk – a nervous smile. It’s an enormity/absurdity struggle.
— Jason Beale (@jabeale) September 3, 2015
.@stephenfhayes “Oh shit, knew this was coming – gotta be careful – she knows what I’m about to say – going to sound stupid, but here goes.”
— Jason Beale (@jabeale) September 3, 2015
.@stephenfhayes So, go to 4:07, 5:20, 5:46, 6:50. Involuntary resp. to sensitive areas of questioning. The smile.http://t.co/cfuNjuirIA
— Jason Beale (@jabeale) September 3, 2015
.@stephenfhayes At 4:07 – “Who del. emails? Was (HRC) involved?” F doesn’t want to say HRC wasn’t involved. Smile.http://t.co/cfuNjuirIA
— Jason Beale (@jabeale) September 3, 2015
.@stephenfhayes 5:20 – “Aides facing scrutiny, ordered not to delete emails”. Again, sensitive area – nerv. smile.http://t.co/cfuNjuirIA
— Jason Beale (@jabeale) September 3, 2015
.@stephenfhayes 5:46. “Why not retain emails – why didn’t she keep them on the server?” Quick demeanor change. Smilehttp://t.co/cfuNjuirIA
— Jason Beale (@jabeale) September 3, 2015
.@stephenfhayes 6:50. “The wiped server – the server she had wiped.” Deer in headlights, then “IDK what you mean.”http://t.co/cfuNjuirIA
— Jason Beale (@jabeale) September 3, 2015
.@stephenfhayes Common denominator in all of this? Who deleted, why deleted/wiped, and was HRC actually involved with review. #followup.
— Jason Beale (@jabeale) September 3, 2015