LONDON (AP) — A British judge told jurors Wednesday that there was no doubt Rupert Murdoch’s now-defunct News of the World had violated the privacy of phone-hacking victims, but it’s up to the jury to decide “who and at what senior level of the paper” was involved.

Judge John Saunders began summing up at the trial of former News of the World editors Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson, and five others, on charges related to wrongdoing at Murdoch’s British tabloids. All the defendants deny the charges.