Joe Rogan’s recent podcast featuring CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Sanjay Gupta is a perfect microcosm for understanding why the public currently reports record-low levels of trust in the media.

What has been most telling about the conversation is CNN’s response in its wake. Take, for instance, the network’s morning show, New Day. After showing a heavily edited video of the conversation in an attempt to present Gupta in the best possible light, anchor Brianna Keilar stated, “I’m really glad you did this … there’s so many people that can listen to the sense that you make.” Gupta then responded, saying that while CNN’s viewers undoubtedly “understand the science,” he took the burden upon himself to (begrudgingly) “go to a place” where viewers weren’t so seemingly enlightened.