While thousands of people marched for stricter gun control laws to an all-out repeal of the Second Amendment during Saturday’s March for Our Lives, rapper Killer Mike found himself at the center of controversy.

As the march was happening, the National Rifle Association’s cable news channel, NRATV, aired an interview with Killer Mike (born Michael Render), conducted by NRATV host Colion Noir, about black gun ownership. It was a fascinating interview that served as a window into his mind and how, until now, his views on the Second Amendment were recondite at best (unless you listened to his music).