If you thought the 2016 U.S. presidential election was ugly, you haven’t seen anything yet. If an interaction this week between former Vice President Joe Biden and actress Cynthia Nixon serves as an indicator, the upcoming 2020 election is going to be far nastier, personal, and vicious.

Biden, who’s reportedly mulling yet another White House bid, spoke Thursday at the Chuck Hagel Forum in Global Leadership at the University of Nebraska Omaha. During his address, Biden touched on the international community’s reaction to Pence’s speech this year at the Munich Security Conference.