There are two types of people in the world when it comes to technology. The ones who watch a dystopian movie such as Her, the 2013 release about the relationship between a lonely man (Joaquin Phoenix) and the voice in his phone (Scarlett Johannson), and see it as a stark warning of where we’re headed. And then there are the ones who watch the same movie and see it as aspirational.

You and I are the former, but the tech lords such as OpenAI CEO Sam Altman are the latter. At least according to Johansson, anyway.