House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn went on MSNBC Monday to argue for Democrats’ massive social spending bill. His main argument was that the media and lawmakers should stop mentioning the 10-year cost of their tax-and-spend bill — officially $3.5 trillion.

“We need to stop talking about these 10-year numbers,” Clyburn said on Morning Joe. He stated this opinion twice, including at the very beginning of the interview.