Former President Joe Biden and his team have a new defense regarding his autopen scandal: Just trust the man and the aides who lied to the country for four years.

Biden has attempted to get out in front of the scandal revolving around the use of an autopen when it came to the mass pardons and commutations the former president gave out at the end of his presidency. After an interview with Biden, the New York Times says he “orally granted all pardons and commutations,” with Biden himself saying, “I made every decision.”