A debate on affirmative action between two liberals has gone viral after the quiet part was finally said out loud. Proponents of the policy don’t seek to end racism — they only want to end racism against certain groups while actively championing it against others.

The Argument host Jerusalem Demsas took the affirmative position on affirmative action, while her guest, Vox co-founder Matthew Yglesias, took the commonsensical stance that racial discrimination is wrong.