Office of Management and Budget Director Russell Vought said he expects 10,000 federal workers to be laid off during the government shutdown, noting 4,000 have already been sent reduction-in-force notices since Oct. 1.

Vought said much of the reporting on the layoffs so far has been conducted based on “court snapshots” that have indicated numbers in the 4,000s. He said the number of RIFs will “probably end up being more than 10,000.” Vought reported the RIF numbers in his first interview since the shutdown began on the Charlie Kirk Show.