A key FBI informant involved in the investigation into the alleged plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer testified Monday that he tried to dissuade the defendants before their arrests by suggesting they commit lesser crimes.

Dan Chappel, who was known as “Big Dan” to the four defendants now on trial in federal court for their alleged involvement in the kidnapping plot, testified that he suggested to the alleged ringleader of the plot, Adam Fox, that he shoot a bullet through a window of Whitmer’s vacation home instead of kidnapping the governor.