It seems even gorillas are intimidated by Shaquille O’Neal.

The former basketball star was speaking with his guests on the podcast The Big Podcast with Shaq when he contemplated growing his hair out, joking that he would be a “silverback” gorilla and not a “silver fox.” He then told what he claimed was a “true story” about how he has been to “every zoo in the world” and that during all of his visits, the gorillas get intimidated by him.