Former staffers to President Barack Obama are mocking the idea California Sen. Kamala Harris is a “moderate” choice on presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s ticket.

In the latest episode of the Pod Save America podcast, Jon Favreau, a former speechwriter to Obama, spoke with fellow Obama staffers Daniel Pfeiffer and Alyssa Mastromonaco on Biden’s selection of Harris as his running mate, criticizing liberals and reporters who have deemed her a “moderate” or “centrist.”