NBC’s Meet the Press anchor Chuck Todd claimed that President Trump has spent his entire life using disinformation to further his own ambition.

Todd, who is airing a special on political misinformation later this week, discussed the Trump administration’s alleged willingness to lie in a recent interview with Rolling Stone. Peter Wade, the reporter who conducted the interview, specifically referenced former press secretary Sean Spicer’s inaccurate proclamation that Trump’s inauguration crowd was the largest ever.