Former President Barack Obama argued that it is not strange that Joe Biden has adopted policies further Left than what he ran on in the primary that are closer to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’s governing vision.

“If you look at Joe Biden’s goals and Bernie Sanders’s goals, they’re not that different, from a forty-thousand-foot level,” Obama told the New Yorker in a recent interview that was published Sunday. “They both want to make sure everybody has healthcare. They want to make sure everybody can get a job that pays a living wage. They want to make sure every child gets a good education.”