Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan appeared to put his relations with the United States and Russia on equal status in a new interview.

Erdogan declined to say if he trusts President Trump more than Russian President Vladimir Putin, an unusual demurral given Turkey’s membership in NATO. Erdogan has clashed with western leaders in recent years, as he implemented increasingly authoritarian changes to the Turkish political system and grew frustrated with U.S. plans to defeat the Islamic State in neighboring Syria.