Journalists Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan said Sunday that President Donald Trump’s loss in the 2020 presidential election was more beneficial to him than not and enabled him to have a powerful second term.

Haberman and Swan of the New York Times appeared on NBC’s Meet the Press and discussed their new book, Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump, in which the co-authors examine Trump’s first year back in office following his defeat against former President Joe Biden.