The Internet is abuzz with talk of a Donald Trump “secret interview” on immigration. “Donald Trump Secretly Told The New York Times What He Really Thinks About Immigration,” was the headline on a Ben Smith story on Buzzfeed, reporting that the paper “is sitting on an audio recording that some of its staff believes could deal a serious blow to Donald Trump, who, in an off-the-record meeting with the newspaper, called into question whether he would stand by his own immigration views.”

At issue is an editorial board interview Trump did with the Times on January 5. According to Times columnist Gail Collins — if you don’t know her, she’s the journalist who made Mitt Romney’s treatment of his dog a centerpiece of her 2012 presidential campaign coverage — Trump told the Times something to the effect that he might not actually push for the deportation of all 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States “because it’s going to be the first bid in some future monster negotiation session.”